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Help about overoptimization!?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by mishel, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. mishel

    mishel BANNED BANNED

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    Hello everyone
    I recently opened new website selling social media services.
    I would like to know what is proper and good keyword on page density? Let me be clear...
    I'm targeting about 90 kw's (i bought seo link building from some company)...and they suggested that they will do about 80% of backlinks to go on
    buffer sites. And from 20% it will be "click here" "check this" and some random text completely..and other will be direct keywords(90+) they will be direct linking to my homepage url and subpages urls with those keywords(they suggested web2.0 and private network blogs for new domains) ... But i want to know because i'm targeting so many kw's how many kws should i place on my home page, then on category 1, category 2...etc
    For example if i'm targeting these keywords for home page:
    Buy facebook likes
    buy facebook fans
    cheap facebook subscribers
    get facebook friends
    ...and maybe 10 more for home page, then 10-15 for category 1(facebook likes) , then 20 for category 2(facebook subscribers) should i buy content with those keywords in that content so i can place it on home page and on categories? And if so, how many words for home page(and for all pages) is good, and how much density of those keywords should it be? Because i don't understand if i'm targeting 100 kw's should i place 100 kws somewhere in all pages on my website, or i just place 10-15 and rest on Meta tags..etc or maybe that is not good?
    And also what confuses me, if i need to place at least 10-20 kws somwhere on my all pages, how many should i place?

    Sorry for long post, i'm really not good at this and i want to learn...thank you!
     
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  2. mindlesswizard

    mindlesswizard Supreme Member

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    90 keywords for a site ???

    Are you serious ????
     
  3. thisismymp3

    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    maybe 90 keywords a page
     
  4. mishel

    mishel BANNED BANNED

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    Yes 90 variation of keywords for whole website...they are all long tail very low keywords, and i want to know this because i think i may have over optimized keyword density.
     
  5. validseo

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    I am probably going to get a shit storm of grief for saying this, but I haven't found an over-optimization penalty yet.

    I hear people talking about them all the time. I over-optimize the shit out of my pages. Unless the penalty is being on page one I just don't see it.

    Perhaps a believer in over-optimization penalties can share a recipe for triggering it because I have already run the stats and the top 5 results in just about every niche there is has more keyword stuffing than the bottom five and depending on the niche I've seen it go as high a couple thousand matches per page. If there is a penalty it is for a ridiculously high amount of keyword stuffing.

    Are there diminishing returns? Maybe. Is 1500 keyword matches just as good as 2000 keyword matches? It probably has more to do with the cutoff limit for how much of an extremely large page gets indexed. If there is a penalty then why isn't it applied to the countless examples of over optimized results in the SERPs?

    Maybe its a manual action or something, but I just don't see any data to support the notion in an algorithm sense. I know matt cutts eluded to it in his keyword density video, but I'm not drinking the kool-aid... I want proof.
     
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  6. ContentWriter

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    Mate, do not use all those 90 keywords in one go. The results maybe more painful than beneficial.
    Why don't you rank all those keywords first?
    You can actually come up with 22 to 23 articles with all those keywords.

    My recommendation is to have one main keyword and at least three secondary keywords per 500-word (or more) article. Apply 1 percent keyword density to your main keyword. Repeat each secondary keyword once or twice.

    You need to organize the distribution of your keywords this way instead of injecting all 90 in one post.
     
  7. jaselc

    jaselc Regular Member Premium Member

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    You will never rank for all 90 keywords, you need to focus on a few, especially some long tail kw. Unless you create a shit load of content and pages then you can go for more!
     
  8. Ballan

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    I think you need to have a look at the difficulty in ranking those potential keywords and then be a bit more selective with those you are going for. You can the experiment with various techniques and keyword mixes without spunking the entire site.
     
  9. marketmadness

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    I have run into overoptimization filtering quite frequently (its not really a "penalty" you're just "filtered" out of the results by the algo). Indeed it seems like lately every one of my reviews targeting "productX review" kw phrases gets filtered out for overoptimization at first. Then I edit down the optimization a tiny bit each week and wait for google to recrawl and recognize the changes, and see where that lands me before making more changes. Rinse and repeat until it's "unoptimized" enough to stop getting filtered out. Then tweak from there to maximize potential.

    Franky, it's pretty rough. However, it may be that my site is just especially sensitive because it was penguin penalized at one point.
     
  10. mishel

    mishel BANNED BANNED

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    Thank you so much, that is what i asked..
    And i don't want to place 90 keywords in my articles on website that is crazy :)
    I'm asking because of meta keywords, and maybe some of those 90 keywords to be on website somwhere(that is why i asked how much to place from those 90 on my website for google to not drop me down)...also can i rank for those keywords if i do anchor text seo to them, even they are not anywhere on my website nor on any subcategory...etc?
    Thanks