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Health Care Reform (HUGE market coming!!)

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by gb5000, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. gb5000

    gb5000 Regular Member

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    To be honest, I don't agree with what went down, but thats not the reason why I wrote this thread! No need to get political!

    Anyway, guys, there is gonna be a HUGE market in health related insurance plans coming up, I'd suggest you'd get prepared for it now!

    I'm pretty sure some cpa's and other advertising agencies are gearing up as well.

    I know some people have blogs that are capitalizing off the attention this has gotton, but now that this thing is about to pass, time to put your bid in NOW!

    Unless this bill somehow gets overturned (hopefully), there is gonna be a MASSIVE influx of new (and first timers) looking for HC.

    Get ta' plottin"!!:D
     
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  2. rootkat

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    It's a possible new market. We'll have to see how it turns out.

    Though your right, getting on the band-waggon early is a good idea. Just gotta wait for the Obama signature now.
     
  3. gb5000

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    Ofcourse!

    But the difference between the Health Care Market as its been and the Health Care Market as it will be comes down to the point of people having to buy MANDATORY insurance, which is alot of new people who wouldn't have otherwise purchased HC and therefore, a new influx of consumers. (BTW, I'm surprised this bill passed the house so quick. Danm, if its this easy to sell people things like the shit thats in this bill, then my financial future looks GREAT. The govt. done a GOOD job making people subservient! But anyway.....)
     
  4. N.R.P

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    Just a simple question for you americans friends, i don't really get why some people are against health care for everyone, do you guys think it will turn your country into Cuba or something ?

    I live in europe and in my country ( Portugal ) i've spoken about this with some of my friends and we simply don't get why the big discussion about it.
     
  5. savvypro

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    It's all about money.

    The passing of the bill, only benefits the US health insurance companies, as now everyone is required by law to have health insurance. Even if they go to Mexico to see their Doc - just like 1 million Californians do every year. (http://www.laprogressive.com/2009/05/29/a-tip-without-an-iceberg-americans-not-canucks-are-the-real-medical-refugees/

    The funny thing is that the US Government is the majority owner of AIG (biggest European health insurance provider) they could have made everything simple, by forcing AIG to give everyone cheap/low cost or even free health insurance.
     
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  6. gb5000

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    Guys, I Do beleive that we, as marketers, can make ANYTHING or ANYEVENT make money!

    In saying so, its my intent to keep this thread on the monetary issue of this subject.

    However, I must say, for the sake of my sanity, this:

    People being naive is Fun and GREAT if your trying to make money off of them. Our internet "guru's" do it all the time to "I wannabe internet money makers" and people desperate for cash.

    I'm not immune to this, and I'm certainly not an angel. Thats why I will find a way to capitalize off this HC Bill.

    BUT......

    If its become this easy ACROSS THE WORLD, not just the US, to convince anyone of any agenda using mass media AND yahoo AND google, then I must say, its gonna be hard to have any hope in the future common sense of our species!

    All it takes is for something to be said IN THE RIGHT PLACE, IN THE RIGHT WAY, dosen't matter if its true or false, for people to believe it!

    This should encourage you marketers, lots of money to be made.

    Good Luck!
     
  7. jodys

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    Because our Country has brainwashed its Citizens into believing free enterprise is the best solution. Free enterprise says if there is enough competition that the consumer will always get the best deal because Corporations will compete for the consumer's business, driving down prices and increasing service/quality. Because we're taught this from a very young age we fight against anything that contradicts this philosophy believing that free enterprise is the best solution and allowing Corporate competition will give us the best results.

    Now I say this is brainwashing because its been proven time and time again that this is utter BS and there is no such thing as Free Enterprise. Corporations collude to drive prices up so all can get rich. Oil companies buy managing shares of stocks in overseas oil wells so they can set the pricing for crude oil and tell Americans to blame the Arabs for high oil prices when it's Americans setting the high oil prices. This list could go on for hundreds of examples of failed free enterprise but the point is EVERY SINGLE time free enterprise has failed in this Country the Government has bailed out the Corporations. The Credit Card companies have raped Americans for at least the last 15 years with BS charges and notions like if your Utility bill is posted late then we can take your interest rate from 7% to 29% on all existing balances even though you've never paid late to this Credit Card company. While they can prevent any over limit charges they allow them and then charge you huge fees and then double your interest rate if you go over. What happened when these Credit Card companies lost billions because the Americans lost their jobs or just said FU, our Government used OUR tax money to bail them out. Same with Banks, same with Insurance Companies, same with Airlines, same with Trains, same with Automobile manufacturers, same with elderly health care and so on.

    So basically free enterprise is nothing but a myth to keep Americans working and paying taxes and agreeing we have the best system. In reality this Country has been a Socialist country since the Great Depression (1930s) when we first discovered that Corporations, Banks and Government don't give a damn about American workers until all the shit collapses and there is no other way to save the Country except through Government intervention.

    We're seeing history repeat itself today. Insurance companies have raped our Citizens, denying coverage, canceling coverage and raising rates at will and when we only had 10 million without insurance 10 years ago, nobody gave a damn about them. Now with massive layoffs we have 45 million without insurance and because our Government has let us down in so many ways (allowed American business to move offshore, allow imports without much restrictions, allow Credit Cards, Banks and Mortgage Companies to rape us, allow Oil Companies to still collude and control gas prices while earning $45 BILLION net profit a year of our hard earned money) they throw us a bone called health care reform to keep us from revolting. People in this Country are committing suicide daily because they feel there is no hope. Our news channels tell us 24/7 there is no hope. Our Government is nothing but a Big Daddy Pimp that tells all of us whores to go to work everyday and bring him back HIS money. If we refuse then we starve and die or cheat the welfare system. If we try to cheat and make money without paying taxes we're thrown in jail. Americans are now just whores working for the Pimp.

    I hope that answers your question.
     
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  8. gb5000

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    WOW, lots to say eh? :eek:

    I agree!

    Now, lets find out a way to profit from all this, lets focus on the money bro.
     
  9. Grandslam

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    Well for starters, we're not fans of being fined or PUT IN JAIL if we refuse to purchase health insurance.

    That should clear up some confusion about why people are so pissed.

    "PUT IN JAIL" - sounds a lot like Cuba to me.
     
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  10. MiodragM

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    Pharmaceutical drugs are like cocaine and heroin. They are addictive, harmful and DEADLY. They are called DRUGS. This industry is a SCAM, Big Pharma want your money, not you to be healthy.
     
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  11. FarmTeam

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    Why the big uproar? Cause we are Americans. We do not need a government or any other entity to babysit us, feed us or give out handouts. They should be making sure we are safe and make sure we are free from predatory businesses. I never seen my grandparents cry when times got tough, they did what we all should do, develop solutions.

    I pay $1,000/mo for being diabetic. I can not get health insurance because I have a pre existing condition. I don't want a handout though. I'd rather provide for myself and my family as well as create jobs and make things fair. Being self reliant is worth more than being a beggar. Helping those who can not help their selfs is more honorable than anything in my eyes

    Unfortunately not everyone is as fair as I am or other people I know and take take take. It is that mentality that has ruined capitalism and free trade as well as enforced the free health care.

    An average person can get wonderful healthcare for about $100/mo in most instances. You can also get a job that has benefits. Not to mention /medi-Cal which is super simple for people to get who can not afford ins or are unemployed. There are also state pools that allow for healthcare, a little more than most but an investment never the less if you have a preexisting.

    If you listen to the liberal news though, they act like people are laying on the streets dying cause they can not see a dr. But for pre existing conditions this plan will not benefit anyone till 2014 anyways. So those dying people got 4 more years to hang on.

    This is not political in any way. Just a reminder that if we all take a minute and help someone out here and there 2 things will happen. 1. We will end up getting burned time to time by someone ungrateful and who does not care about anything but their own self greed. 2. The world will ultimately become a better place.

    p.s. being forced to buy a product simply cause you exist to benefit someone else is theft and "Cuba" like. The threat of jail time for not doing so, haha, yeah fucking right. We might as well live in 1930s Germany.
     
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    You guys pay so much fucken taxes for bullshit. You guys should have been bitching about the war in Iraq instead of letting the media rally you up into thinking America is in danger (lolllzzzz). with all that money spent you guys couldve had healthcare till the next 100 years and not raised taxes.

    People in the media in America are just fucking racist and some people are pissed off that a black guy won. It turn they bash him. What do you think McCain wouldve been blowing money on? Nothing more usefull in my opinion

    If anything insurance companies will lower there price in order to be more competitive instead of making insane profits through collective bargain.
     
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    at the very least you can use this topic to drive even more traffic to your site!
     
  14. savvypro

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    Amen.

    If people only relised that the only true free market is the black market and what masquerades (with the help of propaganda by the media) as the US of A free market is only Fasisium in action (or as Mussolini wanted people to call it: Corporatism) things would be a lot different.
     
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  15. FarmTeam

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    You forgot the taxes we pay for "undocumented/illegal" citizens, wasteful spending on bs studies (ex: social habits of college students), kickbacks, welfare, on and on and on.

    The race thing is simply a lack of nothing intelligent to say. People cry racism over everything cause they have nothing better to say so it is an easy scapegoat. I am sure there are people mad that a white guy won in previous elections. This argument is invalid. Not to mention this has nothing to do with their side our side. It boils down to wasteful spending and the middle class getting took on every deal, from both sides.
    Ehh... Seriously? Look at mandatory car insurance for example. Rates went up for than 1000%. If you call 1-2% profit "insane" then yeah they bank. If they are forced to cover pre existing this will not lower their rates either. Look at the pharmaceutical industry first before insurance on who makes cash. My guess is they will eventually go out of business since the government most likely will put so much red tape on everything they will get .80 on a dollar for reimbursement. Much like the hospitals in Boston they did their 'trial" run on, or every other gov clinic. They lose money, then the next thing we know someone will be screaming 'bail out" and once again the middle class will be forced to fork over cash.

    Opening the ability to purchase insurance across state lines would have made it more competitive. Some states only have 1 or 2 options, where insurance companies can dictate their rates.

    Point: Anytime people rely on the government to take over stuff it turns into a mess and the middle class working people lose out. But most people view this as a football game "YAY, our side won!". The health care bill just shifts whos pockets we line with cash. So hopefully we all make somethig off of this.
     
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  16. BassTrackerBoats

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    Forget all the political babble in here... check out your CPA networks, your CJ, your azoogle, your pepperjams and see what you can market to viewers.

    I was fortunate and had a great advertiser already set up and have made some nice bank already.

    Yahoo answers can be your friend, CxL can be your friend, press releases can be your friend...

    This is not rocket science!
     
  17. gb5000

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    AMEN!!

    On another note, I REFUSE to let ANY situation, war, elitism, or govt. mandate tell me how to run MY life. And neither should you!

    So in turn, I plan on turning EVERY situation to impede on my freedom into COLD HARD CASH!

    I am now OFFICIALLY an OPPORTUNIST! Cause capitalism can be control, but opportunism can't.

    Again, huge market here, I suggest you pony up fellas!!:7:

    On a more political note, alot of democrats are about to get stomped on. But it won't matter, demo or repub, they are BOTH playing on the same team.

    Oh, one more thing:

    MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL! AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU GUYS OUTSIDE OF THE USA THINK, WE ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION HERE. THATS WHY WE (MOST, NOT HALF LIKE THE MEDIA WILL TELL YOU) ARE PISSED!!
     
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  18. KBC-12

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    Well I was kind of thinking of starting a thread similar to this as well. But since you started it....

    There WILL BE NEW OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF THIS. I used to work in sales & marketing for a Fortune 500 company that primarily sold health insurance, life & annuities on the back end. I left the company because the insurance industry in general in downright evil, but the health sector in particular is REALLY bad. Even though I worked for a company that was relatively 'Good'.

    Although, yesterday I did blow a load thinking of all the new business that I could write if I still worked for the company. LOTS of $$$$$. I still have my health & life license so I'm thinking with that and IM, I have the opportunity to put something unique together with all of this. So with that being said, there is a ton of money to be made here, even if you DO NOT have a license, there is $$$$$ to be made.

    As for why is this the worst thing to ever happen to America?? Well, where shall I begin. First of all, there is not one thing in this bill that will control COST, NOTHING to keep COST down. Second, making a LAW that says Americans HAVE to buy something is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
    Now, there will be a fine for $300-400 if you Dont purchase the MANDATORY health insurance, starting in 2014 I believe.
    Then it is set to increase to $700 in 2015 or 2016. So for that $700 FINE you will have paid $58 a month for the year and be entitled to medical care. Pretty cheap, good deal right?
    Wrong, Ill show you why in a minute.

    First I want to point out a few GOOD things in the bill. Insurance companies cant deny you for pre existing conditions, cant kick you off for getting a disease ect..

    Insurance is cheaper the larger the group is, a group of 500 isn't going to get their rates changed as frequently and with as much volatility as a group of 50 is.

    So the thinking behind making it MANDATORY to BUY health insurance is that it will make AMERICA one giant group of insured, as opposed to being in a group with your employer for example.

    Also keep in mind that there is a 15% "Cadillac tax" on high priced plans.
    And now 85% of all the money they collect in Annual Premiums they will be required to pay out in claims, whereas it used to be 65% percent, I think.

    Back to why the $700 FINE/ $58 a month is NOT A GOOD DEAL. For starters, the IRS is going to be ENFORCING THIS! Also, there is nothing in the Bill to keep the IRS from raising the fine each year like it is ALREADY SCHEDULED TO DO IN IT"S FIRST 3 YEARS. In fact I believe that the Bill states that it WILL increase with inflation & other factors. With hyper inflation looming around America, This is a horrible idea.
    SO one of the most evil things about health insurance is the fact they raise your premiums ridiculous amounts every year and raise it even more absurd amounts if you use it. The only difference is now the Insurance Companies arent doing it to you, it is now the FED. Gov. & IRS! And they are threatening with JAIL TIME & FINES if you dont pay these increases.

    Remember, there is nothing in the HC Bill designed to keep COST down. One of the things that drives health COST up is the LARGE amount of hospitals that are run by PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. This is who President Obama made this BILL with, Private hospital corps, private insurance comp. and Big Pharama, with no transparency I might add.

    This Bill is designed to put health care in the hands of the Fed Gov. and a FEW Insurance Companies. America is an Oligarchy, so this makes 'sense'.

    So we the people are left with a "choice" of paying for health insurance with the major companies or paying the fine with the GOV. BOTH of which will continue to INCREASE in price that the people have to pay (the fine and the cost of premiums.)

    And keep in mind that 85% that they are required to pay in claims now, that cost WILL get passed onto the people/consumer.


    Sorry for the rant guys, but I know there are a lot of USA b-hatters here, and there is so much crap out there, I thought I might help give you some perspective on all of this.


    KBC-12
     
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    I live in europe and in my country ( Portugal ) i've spoken about this with some of my friends and we simply don't get why the big discussion about it.

    LOL case in POINT@ You live in Portugal, that just had their DEBT LOWERED TODAY. We don't want it because we CAN'T AFFORD IT. Let's play word association......Greece, UK, Portugal, and Spain....ALL SOCIALIST AND NEARLY BANKRUPT.

    61% of our deficit is ENTITLEMENT programs.....now we have yet another......When they legalize 12 million illegals, the $1 TRILLION plan quickly becomes $3TRILLION

    And for you people that see a GREAT OPPORTUNITY....Government SHUTS OUT competition.....they do not partner with people.....GET REAL...Plus, even if they did, the regulations will be so tight, I DOUBT some makeshift website with a $200 investment will hardly work.
     
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  20. gb5000

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    Beautiful INTELLIGENT reply KBC, thank you for pointing this out.

    RANT MODE:

    IF YOU GUYS THINK THAT GOVT. INTRUSION IN YOUR LIFE IS GOOD, THEN I HAVE A BRIDGE IN BROOKLYN TO SELL YOU!

    Look guys, all of you foreign cats, please understand: The govt. is NEVER on your side, PERIOD!

    It makes laws for you, yet it never applies to them!

    If you comply with someone or SOMETHING who dosen't have your best interest at heart, then I feel bad for you.

    Most of American men have been raised to be spineless and pussy-whipped by the age of 20. They are also encouraged to AUTOMATICALLY TRUST authority WITHOUT thinking for themselves!

    Soon they will make laws that say you are not aloud to think for yourself!

    But do you guys even care? Or are you scared to think for yourselves for once and trust your instincts rather then trust Authority?

    Your depression is their blessing, and if you keep complying with everything your govt. tells you to, you will NEVER get the chance to truly be HAPPY!
     
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