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Heads UP, this is the BIGGEST investment opportunity, RIGHT!

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by thomansfel, Nov 13, 2010.

  1. thomansfel

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    I noticed that everyday one of this threads comes up into the JV section.

    I would like to inform everyone that under my opinion there are 99.999% chances you will loose your money. Lets think about it for a second. These guys are so smart, so bright, better then a genius even, because they found the goldmine but they lack the money to invest themselves or the brains to make the money for the initial investment WITHOUT seeking outside help.

    Main question which pops in my head every time is:

    If its 100%, GUARANTEED return in a defined period of time WHY would you want to have a partner and share the profits ? There are tons of ways of getting money without interest from a lot of sources: friends or family, short term loan from a bank, friends credit card, friends of friends etc. and this way someone will vouch for you and it will be easier to obtain the necessary funds rather then seeking for investors and convince them. Its much easier seeking help from members who know you or with whom you've dealt before rather than strangers.

    How can you convince an investor if you aren't so convinced yourself ?

    WHY don't you take the risk yourself and invest the money if its 100% guaranteed deal ? As long as anyone outsources the risk and the money invested to a second person even though the profits will be shared its a RED FLAG for me. Not to mention that most threads are aimed not at one but at several investors. Its so easy to sign out and take the money.

    I know for a fact that these kind of opportunities exist on different markets but generally who knows about it will act on its own because it ain't going to be the same everyday. Its not my intention to insult anyone with this thread but I feel that these type of joint ventures don't belong to BHW and from my experience it will END bad for the investors BUT if you are one of those 0.001% congrats.

    Think about it guys before you give away your money. I just want to give a heads up to potential investors and potential victims.
     
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  2. dkanalie

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    Well, sometimes I would just call it greed of the ppl :) But nice post! I agree on the most...
     
  3. Sanitarium

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    direct cash investments threads should no longer be allowed here, on the main page it always seems like a simple $10 investment, but in the back it's 100-200 ims and pms, that kind of quick cash turns even barney into a scammer fast if it surpasses what they had expected. .

    That's how you solve this.

    What you just typed they all know.

    if you notice scammers usually run with cash, not a lot when it comes to exchange of services JVs.
     
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  4. thomansfel

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    @dkanalie well as Gordon said "greed is good" but not in any form, thanks

    @Sanitarium maybe they all know it but maybe they need to see a confirmation, I truly believe that nothing constructive can come out of these type of JV's and I hate seeing people ripped off and chances are slim for their money to be kept safe for them (not impossible but very un'likely) so they should be well aware of this
     
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    Thank you for sharing.
     
  6. thomansfel

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    your welcome, always be aware of ANY investments RISKS
     
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    has anybody had a successful JV money maker in here?
     
  8. thomansfel

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    @alexandraM lots of members had successful joint ventures; in the above post I just outlined the risks involved with an investment JV, my thoughts and the increasing number of this type of threads
     
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    I am very sorry but you are totally wrong, there are some people in this forum that don't have money to take from mummy or puppy or even the bank since they live in countries with hard economy, i am not talking about myself, but i believe there are very good investment potential and JV around this forum, they are many very smart people around that NEED this investment. 100$ for you is not 100$ for someone else. there are people here in this forum that dont even have a decent internet connection.
     
  10. thomansfel

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    @apalalas You missunderstood my post, I wasn't referring to any type of join ventures but in particular to those with a required investment. There is always a risk with any type of investment including a JV and my point was that even on BHW that risk still exist, I am not saying that all these investment JV's will end bad but there is a probability and investors will take the fall so they should be aware of the risks and under my personal opinion smart people that need an investment as you said wont reach out to any BHW member.
     
  11. thomansfel

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    Again I noticed that these type of threads are poping up like fireworks lately and I feel the need to bump this thread for people who are less experienced.

    Just to be clear this post doesn't states that the members who start investment threads are scammers, the point is that there is always a risk with any investment.

    Under my opinion these type of JV's will raise more questions than answers.
     
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  12. ExtraWinner

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    Hi M8,

    Why do you care?

    If somebody is willing to hand over $10K to some nobody with no reputation and minus itrader then that his problem.

    What you are trying to do here is "i know better, and I want to protect you" stuff. Let them be. If they not gonna get scammed here, they will get somewhere else, so what is the difference?
     
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  13. thomansfel

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    no my friend

    BHW is a community, in some forms I got burned before. To make a community a better place you have to share things, or experience. If someone invests 10k that doesn't necessarily mean he is dumb, maybe he is to naive.

    When I did some things I would have wished someone to be there and tell me better.

    And you are wrong, if they wont get scammed here they will learn a lesson and they won't be scammed anywhere.
     
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    That's exactly the type of attitude that belongs on DP, not bhw.

    Just because someone is unaware does not make scamming them okay.

    I agree with OP that these types of threads should not be allowed on bhw. Im not saying all jvs by any means. Im only saying those that are people asking for investment on a" sure thing". While some of them may be real, the bulk of them are not.
     
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  15. ExtraWinner

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    There are hundreds successful JVs on BHW.

    JV section will be not removed as it is giving to much of good stuff.

    Once in a while somebody get burned - big deal. But who the F is investing $10K in some unknown noob?

    What you are proposing not gonna happen anyways, I am just surprised that you are creating dictatorship idea under banner of safety and help. Leave this to mods, admins, and peoples IQ.
     
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    Yes, AND...

    When you are down on your luck, can't pay the bills, need help, will these people that you've put time & energy into "saving" be there for you when you need them?

    People that have nothing, have nothing to give. Take care of yourself first, and then take care of those around you. But not EVERYONE around you, just those that will be there for you when you need them.
     
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    @ExtraWinner Nobody said that the JV section should be removed and not even this type of investment JV's threads, my point was just that people should be more precautious with their investment, any investment. I myself had great joint ventures on this forum. Maybe there are legit investment opportunities but we all should know how to spot the fake ones.

    @Jonny Quick How do you think I am making friends ? Its not wrong to help someone first and then wait for them to return the favour. Why did you joined this forum anyway ? And why should anyone here help you out with anything ?

    You guys have a mind'blowing attitude. Anyway I am done on this subject. take care

    EDIT: I am so happy this thread had 736 views till now.
     
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  18. jadsn

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    yup i agree with this.. just finished reading a thread before and someone yet again got burned.

    @Thomansfel if you notice those who didn't agree joined the forum after it got invaded by noobs and all the scammers. So this is all they know and I guess they don't care. I personally feel like the value of this forum went down so I don't post here as much and network with people outside this forum. I doubt it will ever go back to the way it used to be.
     
  19. thomansfel

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    Thanks for your input. Well maybe you should post here more often. Quality members will bring quality content and BHW will get better, hopefully the same it was even before I joined or why not, better.

     
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    I haven't and probably won't see a project/business/wtv which will be 100% GUARANTEED by something. That's because of one simple thing: We cannot predict the future, even if for instance you have the enough amount of money to make a new, I don't know, Youtube let's say, you cannot be sure it will be a win... Maybe people will say: look at that zipper-head he's trying to copy Youtube... or maybe they'll say: look he has free porn, let's go there! That's why you can't be sure, because there are too many factors in the midle of the situation and the main problem is the way human mind will work when seeing your thing. And for knowing that exactly you have to be a genius... not a smart guy.