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Heading Tags (H1, etc) - Help me understand

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Scorpion Ghost, Nov 29, 2013.

  1. Scorpion Ghost

    Scorpion Ghost Senior Member

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    Hey everyone,

    I started reading about Heading tags, you know, H1, H2 etc tags that people put in their websites to tell to search engines that this or that is important. So, first i read a short text from a site, then watched a youtube video which made sense, and then from that point on everything else more or less added to the confusion.

    For example, in a post about Blogger and Header tags i found:

    "By default, Blogger homepage uses the below heading tag distribution

    <h1>Your Blog Title</h1>
    <h3>First post's title</h3>
    <h3>Second post's title</h3>
    <h2>Sidebar Gadget title</h2>"

    But from my understanding, "Sidebar Gadgets", i mean, what the fuck do the sidebar gadgets have to do with it? In other words, what on the sidebar could possibly help you with SEO? But on the other hand, if blogger has them in an H tag, maybe they do have something to do with it. So, what's the deal?

    What does the guy mean "First and Second Post's title"? A post has 1 title, there is no second title!?!

    I understand that the h1 tag is the most important and should be included only once per page (Not per website, just per post on a website), is this true? And i also understand that the Post Title of a page should optimally be the H1 tag, true?


    And there are 6 H tags, from H1 to H6, with H1 being the most important and then each next level being less important, true?

    Then i watch a video and a guy has the text in his post editor, and he shows you that the first one (Large letters in bold) is the H1, and then the next one (a bit smaller letters in bold) is the H2, and so on...

    Ok, so am I to understand that you can choose to use a post title as the H1 automatically, or choose to set the H1 manually with each new post?? And maybe the first is more convenient so that you will never forget it, but the second is better as far as SEO goes?? In other words, if your H1 tag is your post title then you can set it and forget it, sort of, but then your H1 tag and your Post Title is the same text.

    But then if you set your H1 manually with each post you have to be careful to not forget to do it, but at the end of the day you get your Post Title text, and then you get your H1 tag text, effectively being able to shove more keywords or just different keywords, if you will, into your post??

    I know some of you SEO gurus can drop 3 sentences and clear many of these things for me and save me hours of reading and watching videos. Please do...

    Thanks.
     
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  2. seb_ali

    seb_ali Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    1. You can use A "keyword" in your sidebar title for example: "Keyword News" - it may help you in OnPage SEO
    2. First and Second Post means you can display more than 1 post on your blogger homepage for example see this blog
    Code:
    youtube-global.blogspot.com/
    it has 7 posts on its homepage. Each Post title has a "heading tag".
    3. H1 stands for main heading of the page. Normally you use only one main heading but there is no harm in using it more than once. So both True :)
    4.True
    5. In blogspot, your Blog Name is H1 and all the post title are H2 or H3. In Wordpress, Posts Titles are H1 too. But it can be customized as per your requirements.
    6. When you set your Post title to H1, then normally you won't use H1 within post. you use H2 or H3 for subheadings. Also you do not need to set Post Title as H1 manually. It can be set in your theme code and then all your Post titles will automatically have H1 tag.
     
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  3. MaximumAchievement

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    I recommend Use h1 tag in post title as well.If you need to down/up the size you may use CSS.H1 tag in post title is very much useful in the SEO context.
     
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  4. Conor

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    As a general rule, I like to use the h1 tag only once. That's for the site title.

    h2 tags are for page and post headings.
    h3 tags are for lesser elements, subheadings etc. I never use h4 etc, but I don't see any problem with them.

    I wouldn't listen to anyone with a self given "SEO Expert" title.
     
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  5. validseo

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    It changes nearly daily but frequently h3 and h4 out perform h1. Last time I ran the test h4 was beating h1 in the rankings.

    hxxp://2ndhive.xxx/tagrank.php

    I think this tag ranking occurs because of some Baysian categorizer that is part of google's factors. One possibility is that Google has a large training set of web spam and they use the training set to give every webpage a fuzzy indicator of how much it looks like web spam. When you get down to the most basic examples Google is ranking the tags in order of how frequently the tags are used in webspam. This explains why the HTML5 tags in general do so well... Google's spam training set hasn't upgraded to HTML5 yet.

    So upgrade to HTML5 too!

    Cheers!
     
  6. ReidBurnham

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    Agreed. Most of the people with the letters "SEO" in their username don't know anything at all about SEO.
     
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  7. Scorpion Ghost

    Scorpion Ghost Senior Member

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    I see... Thank you all for your responses...

    My decision about Heading Tags (for now) is this. For example, imagine this being an article:

    ======================================

    Post Title - 4 Ways to Make Money Online --> (H1 Tag)


    1) Sharing Links --> (H2 Tag)

    Content Here.....

    1a) Great sites to use --> (H3 Tag)

    Content Here...

    ======================================

    2) Writing Articles --> (H2 Tag)

    Content Here...

    2a) Great Sites to use --> (H3 Tag)

    Content Here...

    ======================================

    3) Selling eBooks --> (H2 Tag)

    Content Here...

    3a) Great sites to use --> (H3 Tag)

    Content Here...

    3b) Bonus Tips for Writing an eBook --> (H4)

    Content Here...

    ======================================

    I believe that's the best and most proper way to use them. So we have ONE H1 Tag per page. We have H2 for every Main Heading, and then IF there is a sub-heading to each Main Heading, we make that into H3, and IF there is a Sub-Heading to the Sub-Heading, we make that H4. And about the H5 and H6, well, i guess they could be included here and there... Maybe the comments section or something...
     
  8. xenergy81

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    Hi there,
    The heading tags H1 is the most important one, one H1 for one single page is the best option in my experience. You can simply ignore the other heading tags.
    Another factors such as the quality of your content & backlinks will boost your rankings.
     
  9. Scorpion Ghost

    Scorpion Ghost Senior Member

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    Yeah, but i've read that Google likes a site that's well organized with the heading tags.

    One of the reason has something to do with blind people who use some software to surf, and then the heading tags are somehow important for them... And google being "all about the people and user experience and quality" (supposedly), so it would help ranking...
     
  10. Scorpion Ghost

    Scorpion Ghost Senior Member

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    Ahh shit, it's always something...

    So say your h1 tag is for the post titles. And that works great for post pages, every post page has 1 Title, so that makes it 1 h1 tag per page.

    But what about multi post pages? Homepage for example.

    If your h1 tag is for your post titles, then your homepage will have as many h1 tags as posts. So that would make your homepage have 5 or 10 h1 tags, and that would be bad...

    So, where does that leave us?
     
  11. Scorpion Ghost

    Scorpion Ghost Senior Member

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    Well, apparently it's possible to make the Blog Title as h1 on the homepage, and make the Post Titles as h1 on post pages.

    I'm working with Blogger right now, so i thought that it wouldn't be possible with blogger. Anyway, i'm implementing it now, hopefully it's gonna work in practice...
     
  12. Scorpion Ghost

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    Ok, i've implemented what i believe to be the best way to go. And tested it too, all working perfectly.

    Here's what i did:

    Homepage:

    Blog Title --> h1
    Post titles --> h2
    Sidebar Gadgets Titles --> h2


    Post Pages:

    Post Title --> h1
    Sidebar Gadgets Titles --> h2


    This is how things stand now.

    Note that by default in Blogger the Post Dates are also assigned with the h2 tag, i removed that and switched it with a div.

    Note that i will also be inserting Heading -> h2, Subheading -> h3, and Minor Heading -> h4 tags in my posts also, so it will give me some more Keywords for the h2, h3, h4 Heading tags...

    Well, for now i won't be using the h5 and h6 Heading tags, maybe later on when i learn more about this stuff...

    Also i'm not sure if comments have any Heading Tag assigned to them... Something to look into i guss...

    However, i have one thing i'm still not sure about. Should i change the "Sidebar Gadget's Titles" from h2 to h3, or h4, or 5 or 6??? Or maybe remove the Heading Tag from the Sidebar Gadget's Titles completely??? It just doesn't make sense to me, picture this:

    h1 tag --> Post title: Make Money
    h2 tag --> [the default sidebar gadget h tag]: Share the Love
    h2 tag --> [inserted by me in the post body]: Why to make money!
    h3 tag --> [inserted by me in the post body]: How to make the money!
    h2 tag --> [the default sidebar gadget h tag]: Labels


    See? It seems to me that it breaks down the whole thing and inserts COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT keywords in my post...

    Like, if you were writing a book about Making Cake, and you went | Book Title:Making Cake --> Content | Chapter 1:Baking the Cake --> Content | Chapter 2:Kamasutra --> Nothing | Chapter 3:Finishing the Cake --> Content |

    Tell me, what do you think?
     
  13. neuroplastic

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    Haha! You will figure it all out...join a learning/membership site.
     
  14. ChrisX

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    You shouldn't have more than one h1, really. Use h2 or higher for any other headings you have.
     
  15. Scorpion Ghost

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    Question.

    What about inserting a Hyperlink in an H tag.

    I ask because i'm writing an article now and i got a word in the post body which is a Heading (H2 on my site), and i started clicking to insert the link to it and the rel="nofollow" and the target="_blank"... and then i stopped... Inserting a Hyperlink on a word which is a part of an Heading Tag (in my case h2).

    Is that accepted? Safe? Google? Mattey?
     
  16. Scorpion Ghost

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    Well, i'll talk to myself.

    I'm convinced that using a Hyperlink in an Heading tag would be fine to do. However, it wouldn't necessarily give more weight to the heading tag, although it may give more relevance to the page you link to (in the hyperlink). So that's my take on that issue, correct me if im wrong.

    Now, another thing i wondered about is making an Image's ALT Tag into a Heading Tag (h2, or 3, or 4, 5, 6)...

    I read a little and actually am convinced that it would be totally fine to do so. The reason i wondered is because i have a humor blog, and on this blog i have the Heading tags in the following order:

    On the Homepage:

    [h1] --> Blog Title
    [h2] --> Post Titles
    [h3] --> Sidebar Gadget Titles

    On Post Pages:

    [h1] --> Blog Post Title
    [h3] --> Sidebar Gadget Titles
    [h4] --> Something Comments

    Now, if there is any text in a post then i will also insert a few Heading tags in there to mark important points and headings.

    However, most of the posts are just a Funny Picture, you know how it is... So i thought that it would be great to make the Images ALT tags into H2.

    And then we would have the following order on post pages:

    [h1] --> Post Title
    [h2] --> Img Alt Tag
    [h3] --> Sidebar Gadgets Titles
    [h4] --> Something Comments

    And that would make it into a perfect order and as far as relevancy goes it would also be perfect, The post title describes the post, The image alt tag describes the content, and the sidebar gadgets titles and comments, well, whatever :p

    Thoughts? Opinions? Facts? :)
     
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