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Having Manual backlinkers

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by mandude, Feb 20, 2013.

  1. mandude

    mandude Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    So, for the first time, I have hired a manual SEO/backlinker on oDesk. He has great feedback, hrs, and everything looks good.
    I need you to ease my worries...
    Heres the problem I am having,
    I am used to hiring workers that use software to get backlinks. So they get a lot. I have never hired a manual backlinker before. So here we are, $50 in, and all I have to show for it is some social bookmarks (because it is all manual so it takes FOREVER). I can easily go to any forum and get like 500 social bookmarks for $50. So I am having a hard time understanding the potential or the worth of manual backlinks when there are so few to show for how much money has been spent.

    Anyone else with this experience? I am not sure whether to continue, when by the end of the month I will have spent $200 and fear I wont have nearly as many backlinks to show as someone who uses senuke etc. (You may say quality over quantity, but does that apply with the number difference is so huge)

    edit: correction: $135 so far!!
     
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  2. usdachoice

    usdachoice Regular Member

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    I feel your pain and went through the same thought process. For one I would not pay someone to do manual bookmarks. You can use only wire or social adr and get all the bookmarks you need. I have two full time va's and one only builds manual links and gives them to the second one to run SENuke campaigns on. Then after the Senuke campaigns are completed she turns them back over to the first va that loads them in gsa and then to no hands seo. The first va only builds web 2.0 links (use iwriter to get original content for cheap), article links (squidoo and ezine mainly), and social media accounts. These are our tier 1 links and they are all hand built with profile pics, images, and videos. I do pay more than $50 per week but I don't see how $50 per week is motivating unless you are getting workers from Ethiopia. I prefer PI first then India second. The typical rate is usually around $75 per week. For $75 per week I also get use of their company software subscriptions so that is how we run Senuke for tier 2. I use timedoctor to monitor their daily workload and I get on average about 35 good productive hours from each.
     
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  3. mandude

    mandude Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I was restricting him to 25 hours per week (at least at first). I agree social bookmarking manual is pointless, I also mentioned to him the same with forum profiles, they are spammy so they dont matter too much. I mentioned web2.0 and blogs and such sure, do those manual.

    I would like to discuss more if you are willing, as I am definitely not 100% clear with tier link building.. So If I read you right, your tier 1 is web2.0, social media (fb etc)articles. Then those links are used in senuke (do not use money site with senuke?) then use senuke links with GSA. yes?

    Also where/what is PI? I usually hire Philippians, or Pakistanis.
     
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    This is where many people get the concept wrong. It's not manual vs. automated, but low quality vs. high quality.

    The fact that your links are created manually by a freelancer doesn't mean that they're high quality links. If what the freelancer is doing is just following simple guidelines then there is absolutely 0 difference whether it's a person or a bot creating the links for you.

    The power of doing links manually comes in play if the person doing them is actually producing content, selecting sites/links and putting their brain into use in general. But a $0.75/hour freelancer who can only follow set directions is indeed absolutely worthless as they're doing exactly the same thing that all bots are capable of doing - only 200 times slower.
     
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  5. usdachoice

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    To clarify the tier 1 should be high quality original content. I do not have the VA do this b/c it would take her all day to write one article that is why I get that from another source. The manual built links are better than automated b/c we add more content than any tool that is openly sold. We include contact pages, custom themes, and everything else I previously mentioned. We are also only posting to good web 2.0's and other sites the tools have not saturated yet. I plan to have her post as a guest blogger (using purchased content) to add to better tier1 links in the near future.

    And by PI I mean the Philippine Islands, that is what the filipinos called it in the Navy.
     
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    I agree completely and that was the problem. Another guy made a good point, when hiring hourly, they may work slow because they make more money. So I am going to go fixed pricing from now on I think..

    for iWriter, how much do you usually have to pay per article? I looked at the site but do not want to sign up until I learn more.. So people write the articles.. and you choose whether to accept them or reject them? I dont want to spend too much, I mean, not sure how many articles to get written per SEo project/per money site. Multiply that by 10 websites...
     
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    For the middle tier you pay 5.5 for 500 words or 4.5 for 300 words. I go for the middle tier 500 words and I order 5 articles for each wheel + I pay $15 for another resource to write squidoo lenses and ezine articles. So I have around $55 in content costs + the VA expense to create the sites. I just did this for 24 tld sites that are actually a big wheel for my main $$$ site. So the content alone was over $1300.

    I have journal going here explaining everything in detail.
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-niche-how-get-traffic-main-product-site.html
     
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    I am an manual linkbuilder for my company and also for my private clients, i understand SEO, am doing it well, my suggestion if this guy doing well you keep em. I don't understand why Social Bookmark links? Tell him to do forums post for your niche, google for KW in your niche, find forums where people speak about your niche, ask question on that forums, edit post after 10 days and put links or just made another user and replay himself. Its good links for me, it ranks well, and then when he put that links, then do manual social bookmarks for indexing it.

    I think there is no software who can be better then on manual linkbuilder, this is the best for SEO, its not matter how much links he made if he makes strong and good links for you, its batter then 1000 others links.

    If you can trust him, if he doing it well, keep him. And you will see good results.
    Public softwares could fucked up your rankings. :)

    Sry for bad English.
     
  9. usdachoice

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    Well said wizzardz01 that is exactly what my va does for tier 1. And it is very true to find one you like and stick with them. People work way harder for you if they feel secure so pick one and keep them. If you are a good teacher you can train them to do exactly right, if you can't do that it's not the va's fault it is yours. I suggest setting up a training site for them so keep all of your detailed instruction on for them to reference. This will also help with attrition and getting the next person you add up to speed. If you are expecting to hire someone and all you need to do is make the weekly payments you are setting yourself up for disappointment. I use jing to make very short (less than 5 min videos) for all tasks. This is the quickest way I know to convey what I need done. It took me a long time to realize hiring more people did not mean less work for me it just means I can do more with more overhead.

     
  10. mandude

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    great feedback so far
     
  11. bryanmoneey

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    I recommend you always go for fixed price like 30 links to audio sites + registration for 5$ or 50 related blog comments/forum posts for 5$. You can always find someone on oDesk that will work on cheap rates. The key is you should give detailed instructions and a little training to achieve quality output. Keep the good ones in your contact and if you're satisfied with their work you can hire them hourly.