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Having an ethical battle with myself.

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by thaorius, Aug 22, 2008.

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  1. thaorius

    thaorius Junior Member

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    Hi, first of all note I'm new to this forum and I'm not sure this is the right forum to post, if it isn't I'll preciate if a mod would move it.

    Basically, I'm having an ethical dilemma. Everything started 2 months ago, me and a friend(e-friend actually) decided to develop a botnet for cloud computing(not anykind of spam, ddos attacks or anything of the like). The network was to be used by me, him and 2 persons I know need to make some really CPU intensive calculations and have no place to perform them.

    Due to personal problems I'm in need for some serious quick cash. I've got relatively short time to get it so I started looking into BH stuff and ways of making money online(did some stuff in the past, but nothing too serious, the maximum I've got was 30 bucks before getting a lot of PPC accounts banned).

    Today, I was finishing the design of the network tophology and communication protocols of the botnet when it hit me. I could use the botnet to earn money. Possibly, enough to solve my problems. I could for example, join the bidvertiser referral program(they pay 10$ when your referral earns 10$ and another 40$ when the referral gets 50$) and setup the network to create fake traffic to different add-filled blogs(just read about this in this forum). This way I generate apparently random traffic and clicks while maintaining a natural CPR of 3-5%. All clicks would come from different IP's and it would be coodinated by some pseudo-authoritative bot on the network.

    The problem with this is that I'm a person with very high morals and ethical values and I'd hate someone to fuck my adds or stuff my cookies or whatever method I may choose to use. Besides, the network was specifically designed for good purposes. Not to perform different kinds of fraud. So, according to you, what do you think I sould do?

    In practical terms, I could have a working(but heavily shaved) version of the bot by sunday, so I could start propagating the bot on monday, give it a 2 week period for it to grow big enough and in the mean time, I could program and test the nessesary plugins to actually make money.

    PD: In the legal side, the network won't be big enough to be noticed(I'll set a maximum bot number of 10k), and if it gets noticed, I'll issue a network deactivation command and problem solved.

    Thanks for your input.
     
  2. transdimensia

    transdimensia Newbie

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    hey I just sent you a PM, let's talk :)
     
  3. crsk8andsno56

    crsk8andsno56 Senior Member

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    I dont know much about botnets or hacking but could you issue a command to have people fill out zip or email submits from a preharvested list say form craigslist?

    Spread it across 20 networks and you could make ALOT without getting caught
     
  4. HeyJay29

    HeyJay29 Newbie

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    Ease your conscience by packaging up the 'bot and selling to others. You're left a (somewhat) honest businessman and let others rip.
     
  5. Black_Hat_freak

    Black_Hat_freak Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I think he is not discussing bout methods. He is actually concerned with the ethical n moral issues of it.
     
  6. BozoClown

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    Understand your dilemma, but it is like going to the fox telling him you have 1000 chickens and you are hungry but would feel really bad if you ate the chickens.
     
  7. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    OK.......

    From The Book Of Uptown:

    "Yeah, and verily I say unto you; those of the botnet, not those who are crucified and tortured by the botnet but those who take
    THE NAME​
    of the Internet in vain and tarnish My Chldren with infection, are to be taken to the highest of hills, there to be crucified, hung, drawn and quartered; their remains to be fed to the hogs after having been displayed for all to see for a period not to exceed the first maggot infestation!
     
  8. Prideoflion

    Prideoflion Registered Member Premium Member

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    Dude The Answer To You're Question Is Pretty Simple....

    Do What Feels Right To You.

    'Cause Lets Be Honest, You Could Make A Bundle Anyway You Look At It.

    But What's Going To Make You Feel Okay With Yourself At The End Of The Day.

    That's What Matters, Cause There Are A Million Ways To Make Money, But Not All Of Them Are Going To Make You Feel Good About Yourself.

    My 2 Cents :rolleyes:
     
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  9. thaorius

    thaorius Junior Member

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    Added you to AIM, talk to me when you can.

    I can potentially do what ever I want, but considering that if I decide to go though with the idea, I would already be using other people's sistems to make money, showing ads to them seems a little excesive.

    That would actually be worse, by doing it myself I can stop when I've reached my goals and never again.

    Exactly.

    Ahahah, nice one. I'll feel bad either way :(.

    To that I'm simply speechless.

    You see, I'll feel bad either way. If I do it, I'll be going against the things I believe and if I don't I'll be basically telling myself the cause it's not worth it. Either way, I'm somehow screwed.

    So far I'm still clueless on what to do.
     
  10. HeyJay29

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    To this point it looks like a no brainer for you. As others have said, go within your conscience then. Nothing else is going to be worth it.

    You need money? Do what most people do and work hard on an honest path. You won't likely get rich but you'll likely meet your goals, and be proud of what you've done, happy both with and within yourself. There really are people who are both honest, moral and wealthy. Black hat is only a path that some choose to use because of large payoff a few are making.

    I can't imagine that making money, even lots of it, is going to be worth the moral pain it will cost you.

    Move on. You're probably talented enough to make the money you need ethically.
     
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  11. Nick Flame

    Nick Flame Executive VIP Premium Member

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    A person with very high morals and ethical values would not even think about something like this.
     
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  12. HeyJay29

    HeyJay29 Newbie

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    There ya go. Best summary yet.
     
  13. justthinking

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    Just do it. And if you don't want to, give it to me and I will do it.
     
  14. thaorius

    thaorius Junior Member

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    You are right, I shouldn't be considering the botnet approach. I won't do it, I'll go for some other method.

    Thanks for your time.
     
  15. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    Additionally, botnetting is classifed by the US Government as "illegally accessing a protected computer" under several different laws and is considered to be a very serious felony.

    Will they catch YOU if you do it?

    Maybe, maybe not but they are no longer only targetting the Big Boys.

    They are making examples out of small fish so consider these facts.
     
  16. thaorius

    thaorius Junior Member

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    They wouldn't have catched me, I would have limited the network propagation to Argentina(my country) only to avoid any problems. :D
     
  17. ilovenaps

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    I'd rather be rich and guilty than poor and innocent.
     
  18. vmedia

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    no hacking talk here
     
  19. Stumickel

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    thaorius,

    You want a moral sanction from others here on BHW to ease your inner discomfort?

    A few will give it. For most, it ain't gonna happen. Even when you get it, it doesn't work.

    My suggestion is do what you gotta do if you gotta do it, but don't lie to yourself about it. And don't ask others to help you with self-deception. You become very, very fragile and vulnerable doing that.

    But hey. This is only a suggestion. It's your life, your lost sleep and your risks.
     
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  20. Uptownbulker

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    Funny but true.
     
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