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Haven't Slept More Than 4 Hours Every Night This Week... What Are the Best Ways to Treat Insomnia?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Noah Hawryshko, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. Noah Hawryshko

    Noah Hawryshko Senior Member

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    For the last couple of months, I've struggled so much on and off with consistent sleep patterns. I say I've been studying IM for "3 months" or so, but they've really only been in short spurts of productivity when my sleep cycles were perfectly fine, which I'd wager is less than 40% of the time.I'm seeing a doctor, but also taking it upon myself to do a semi-comprehensive study of peer-reviewed scholarly abstracts related to melatonin synthesis, cognitive behavioural therapy for insomnia (CBTI), and other treatments of insomnia.

    I know that in every large group of people there's a portion (estimated at 10% (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1978319/)) of people who will have insomnia of some sort. Both because IM is a job that is next to impossible to do with insomnia due to the high level of cognitive thinking, and because BlackHatWorld members are hands down the most intelligent group of people I've interacted with on the internet, I'd like to ask members a question about insomnia treatment. Statistically it is more likely than not that 10% of our members have insomnia, and thus I'm sure at least some of them have working solutions to dealing with and treating insomnia:

    1. Have you ever dealt with insomnia? If so, which scientifically demonstrated treatment steps do you find have been the most efficacious?

    2. If you've ever researched insomnia, which peer-reviewed scientific studies regarding this subject do you think are especially worth the read?
     
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    Don't care too much about falling asleep. Most people think too much and constantly interrupt the natural process of falling asleep.

    Both body and mind can fall asleep. If you go to bed, find a comfortable position and dont move too much, it is impossible for your body to not fall asleep. Your subconcious mind will try to trick you into moving certain body parts to check if your mind is still awake, ignore it and your body will very quickly fall into sleep paralysis.

    If you can get to even just a soft version of sleep paralysis and your mind is still awake, then the problem is not that you're constantly interrupting the natural process of your body falling asleep, it's you constantly interacting with whatever thought that comes to your mind.

    In my opinion this is antrue gift, as you should use this to go even further and something will happen that will scare the shit out of you and change your world view forever.

    But if you simply want to fall asleep:

    Body:
    1. Find a comfortable position and don't move, even if the mind tries to make you!
    Mind:
    3. Don't drink any sort of cofeein, not even in the morning!!
    2. Don't interact with thoughts, it's hard, but instead you can image a fantasy world and play a role in it if you want, you will drift away very easily.

    I came to the conclusion, that the mind not necessarily needs sleep, it's never asleep, you just get unconcious of what is happening during sleep. Don't care too much about falling asleep, use your insomnia to stay concious during the process of your body falling asleep and incredible, scary, beautiful things will happen.

    Falling asleep is a natural process and you should not care about it, your body will do the job for you...

    Thanks
     
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    Don't drink coffee or soft drinks or anything with caffeine.

    Listen to this:
     
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    I have never suffered from insomnia and I can't imagine what it's like. I think it's easy for us to say - relax, get comfortable, clear your mind etc but I guess it's not possible if you have insomnia.

    Hope someone who has been there can offer you some advise op.
     
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  5. wiso4151

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    Just Do It.
    Trust me, i know what it's like, i know what causes it and i wish i still had it.
     
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    I appreciate your advice and your willingness to help guys, but it's really not as simple as just lying down and getting comfortable, or just avoiding caffine, because I've tried all those things. These things do help though.

    I'm looking for less obvious tips and tricks, but not ineffective ones, which is why I was asking for only scientifically demonstrated treatments.

    Me too! It sucks.
     
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    Meditation and yoga. Also try chamomile tea.
     
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    Try having a cardio before going to sleep and hot shower before going to sleep. Dont eat or drink at least 2, 3 hours before sleep.
     
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    Listen to thunderstorms

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    Smoke weed.
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    sleep.
     
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    And this is the reason you fail to fall asleep. You try to find a complex solution to the simplest and most natural process in life. There is no magic trick that is going to help you, get rid of that nonsense mindset.

    I myself suffered from insomnia and have spent a lot of time on this topic, believe me, what you call the obvious, is the most effective way.

    Find the root cause of your insomnia and not some stupid trick to prevent it, you'll learn nothing!
     
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    Dude just smoke a couple of joints before you go to sleep - it's guaranteed you will sleep and you will also have the best sleep of your life lol, especially if you choose indica strains. I don't know about any scientific research but it works for basically every person I know that smokes weed. And also, while you are body/mind high and lying down, listen to some relaxing music, try it and let us know!
     
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    ASMR + a brand new mattress (or used if you don't want that 2-week phase where the mattress is stiff as hell!).

    Trust me, it'll work wonders.

    Cheers!
     
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    I tried taking like 0.25 xanax before going to bed, helped a lot
     
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    Take a warm shower before go to sleep.:D
     
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    Work out bro.
    Aerobics + weight lifting. 5-6x/week.
    Especially the first 10 days, you will feel tired as fuck & sleep 10-12h/day
     
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    For me the main thing is diet. It hurts like hell to give up sugar and processed foods but when I do I sleep well. I went on a chocolate binge yesterday and only slept a few hours last night. For the most part I try and keep my sugar intake down and also don't eat too many carbs. It helps me keep a clearer head during the day too.
     
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    Workout + Sex
     
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    Treat it with vodka.
     
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    Simple yet highly effective.

    Push yourself out of your confort zone, go for a run or go hit the gym!
     
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    I suffered from insomnia before and found the following has helped greatly:
    - cut out coffee
    - replace black tea with green tea
    - exercise (cardio / resistance)
    - eat healthy through the day, veg / meat mainly, but have more carbs at night. The carb "crash" helps you drift off
    - give your brain something to wind down too, read a book is a good one.

    My schedule has gone from sometimes not sleeping at all to more regular sleeping patterns and being much productive
     
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