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Have You Built Your Own IM Tool?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Micallef, Oct 20, 2010.

  1. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    I'm in the process of building an IM tool, which I eventually plan to sell.

    I am just interested to know:

    How many of you have built your own IM tools for automation? If so, are you keeping the tool to yourself for fear of oversaturation?
     
  2. beatuplunchbox

    beatuplunchbox Junior Member

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    This is totally hypothetical to me as all I know is how to copy and paste in pre made imacros...

    But to me, if I were in your position I would definitely sell it and make bank for 2 reasons:

    1. Every method and tool eventually becomes saturated and outdated, it is staying ahead of the pack (or at least out of the back of it) that makes the real money anyway.

    2. I think many would agree that you are a very reliable authority on effective link building techniques. That is some serious leverage.
     
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    beatuplunchbox Junior Member

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    double post
     
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  4. DocMello

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    Yes, I have developed, used and sold software to automate the creation of Ad*sense sites. That was quite a ways back, and it sold on ebay quite well.

    I know that isn't exactly what type of automation you're talking about, but it was sharp for that point in time.

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  5. J0kerz

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    I am using tons of tool made by me (from small one to big one).

    Example, I have my own CPA/SEO Panel to keep track of all my websites/ranking + Income.

    And yes I am keeping the tools I make for myself. Creating a tool for you or for others is two COMPLETELY different things. When I code something just for me, I dont care about the design, only about the efficacy.
     
  6. MrDetails

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    I have plenty of tools that I've made that I use on a daily basis, all made in Ubot :D

    I keep all the tools I've made for myself, making it for other people is a different ballgame altogether.
     
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    I don´t code, but my "money machine" is made from other people´s tools. Linking all of them and getting them to work and cooperate are my credits lol.

    To track my stuff, a good ol board on the wall and .xls sheets(somewhat automated) are all I need.

    You don´t need to be a coder to be an Internet Marketer =D
     
  8. thesaintv12

    thesaintv12 Junior Member

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    I have, but it is very niche specific. While it would be useful for people in the same niche it is not highly developed enough (read a few bugs) to sell.

    I think it is great to look at ways in which you can automate your process, either with software or outsourcing.

    Good luck with your software Micallef.
     
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  9. SEO20

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    Some of the tools I have coded will NEVER be shared with ANYONE and other does not matter if it gets shared.

    Depends on how unique/how black your methods/concept are and how easy it will get saturated off cause.
     
  10. tacopalypse

    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    i agree with j0ker, it's a lot of extra work to make a program usable for the masses. you have to build a gui, do extensive error testing, create documentation, add security against hacks, promote it well, etc, etc.

    i prefer to just make the program do it what it needs to do, and tweak the settings directly in the source code, no need for any extra work.

    if you do decide to release a program, it's gonna be like 10% of your time is spent building the core of the program, and the remaining 90% is spent just making it user-friendly and promoting it properly.
     
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  11. thesaintv12

    thesaintv12 Junior Member

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    It's not just me that does it then! lol.
     
  12. hplovecraft

    hplovecraft Newbie

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    I've built several IM applications with Autohotkey and Ubot, it's true that you do have support issues to deal with, but they're generally quite easy to resolve. Creating IM software has put me in the situation where I'm making $400 plus a week from sales and I'm only using free advertising. I have money to invest in a coder, graphic designer and copywriter now, so all I really need to do is come up with ideas for IM software.

    I have a Twitter application which is nearing completion, which I think will prove to be good competition for the likes of Tweetadder, it's intelligent, has limits to stop abuse and I think it will make a lot of coin :)

    If I were starting up, I'd get hold of Ubot and start building IM applications, believe me you'll start making money in no time. :)
     
  13. suzieq

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    I use imacros for a few functions, but it would be good to find some software to automate other functions too.

    In my opinion there is a gap between what the techy's know and take for granted with tools and software, compared to what others (not newbies) like myself know with regard to creating/using tools and how to get the best from them. They need to step back and put themselves in the place of their customer, who probably knows very little about it!

    Let me know if you need a guinea pig, I know a lot about some areas and not so much on others!
     
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    I've developed a couple of SQL/.NET based tools that I use regularly. I'm keeping them to myself until I can milk every dollar I possibly can with them. I'm not in a hurry to push it out into the wild. Writing software for your own personal use is much easier than writing it for every Tom, Dick, and Harry who may or may not have a clue.

    -SDT
     
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    I've built TONS of my own IM tools...of them, I've shared maybe 3 or 4.

    The reason for it is because most of the IM tools I make involve a method that is "secret" (or as secret as something you do on the internet can be anyway).

    Whats funny, is a lot of the tools I've made I actually had the intention of selling once completed...but once completed I'm generally so happy as to their efficacy, that I end up keeping them all to myself.
     
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    I've built several IM tools based on my rudimentary programming capabilities. I think selling a tool to the pubic just wouldnt make sense to me because i like to create things tailored to MY needs, not everyone elses.
     
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    I've never sold any, but I put ratios in a few so like 20% of the time they'd send one of my mails or im's and gave them to a few friends. I remember one that was probably the first ever yahoo webmailer that I released publicly with a ratio. Yahoo was PISSED.
     
  18. saxgod

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    I've build all my own tools until now. Thinking about renting out a few. dunno how i'm going to do this in the end ;)
     
  19. The Scarlet Pimp

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    i've never made any serious tools, but i have made/compiled scripts that do various things. one basic script checks the words in the referral link and then redirects visitors to the page that contains the search words they entered into google or yahoo.

    e.g. if someone does a search that contains the word 'football' they'll get redirected to the page that deals with football.

    here's a tip: check your server logs and review which pages are being returned in the results. you may be (unpleasantly) surprised to discover that google/yahoo/bing are showing the wrong page for the search term entered.
     
  20. madoctopus

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    If you look at all the IM tools on the market you will notice none of them is above average level. There are very very few who are considered good because they do one thing well (xrumer, scrapebox). However, by my standards in order for a tool to be awesome, it would have to actually be more like enterprise-grade software - very comprehensive, easy to use by default but packing a serious punch if you're prepared to learn it well and it is a must to be integrated and integrable with custom tools I may want to develop on top of it (have an exposed API). But, I don't know how successful you would be building such a system. If you get it right it will make you a millionaire, but chances to get it right and not die before is finished are pretty small.

    On the other hand there are the "tools". Software that does something specific, far from perfect, but well marketed. Look at SEO Elite, Market Samurai, etc. The functionality is really unimpressive if you are a coder, but they do something very important - they offer a solution to a problem.

    For a decent coder building the functionality of SEO Elite, Market Samurai or ScrapeBox takes a week. That is core functionality. As somebody already said, over 90% is "fluff" - error correction, documentation, a nice GUI, etc.

    But where am I heading with this?! I think if you are a good coder it will always make more sense not to let others use your best tools. For the public you will probably prefer to offer either a less powerful tool, or one that is targeted at the newbies. Newbies are the main market anyway because those wit skills build their own stuff anyway.

    Regarding your exact question: I never gave away or sold any of my tools (advanced or not). I will be starting work on an integrated SEO suite that I may market (but in its less potent form). From the specific tools I built:

    • D0F0llow checker - gets a list of URLs of blog posts or forum threads and detects if there are user generated d0f0llow links. Works pretty well.
    • Madlib system - worked over half a year on this one and is not finished yet. Actually the system itself (coding part) is finished, but it requires a lot of spinable text (I have 40,000 words atm and I want to reach 60,000 words before i launch), some of the paragrapgs being spun on 7-8 levels deep. Basically this is a DB + seed text that supports placeholders/variables + logic rules on how to mix and combine specific paragraphs and ideas.
    • WP Theme Generator - makes WP themes that look good but are pretty random and different from each other. This is also work in progress.
    Everything is built in PHP.
     
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