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Have a question regarding multi tiered backlinking

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tgpycq, Aug 14, 2011.

  1. tgpycq

    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    Hi all,

    I have a question on the many multi tiered Link Wheel/Pyramids being hailed as the perfect solution to SERP boost.

    I noticed that many strategies include 2-3 tiers at least. Something like this:

    Money Site < Tier 1 (10 Web 2.0s) < Tier 2 (10 Web 2.0s) < Tier 3 (10 Web 2.0s)

    Almost always, you will have automated blasting that blasts through the different tiers with the usual profile links and blog comments. Of course, I understand the concept behind this, as to not expose your money site to unnecessary risks.

    My question is this, instead of building 10 web2.0s each on 3 levels/tiers, why not just build one level/tier that consists of 30 web2.0s and blast the hell out of those 30 directly?

    Instead of:
    Money Site < Tier 1 (10 Web 2.0s) < Tier 2 (10 Web 2.0s) < Tier 3 (10 Web 2.0s)

    Why not just:
    Money Site < Tier 1 (30 Web 2.0s)

    Why go through all the different levels? Are 3 levels really needed? Won't it dilute the link juice? As a buffer, won't 1 level be enough?

    So many experts are doing this so I am sure there is a good reason. I'm just too stupid to not be able to figure this out.

    Please help me be less stupid! Thanks.
     
  2. skohh

    skohh Regular Member

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    Good question. Never tested myself. I suspect that it's to build
    authority to buffer sites which passes more link juice? Rather
    than having 30 backlinks from weaker ranked sites. Good question
    though.
     
  3. SyZygy

    SyZygy Senior Member

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    People usually build TIER 1, 2 and 3 when they are making long term plans in the SEO world. It looks more natural to Google, you build more authority and, in the end, gain better SERP.

    That's the way how I understood it.
     
  4. TNphoneman

    TNphoneman Senior Member

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    Think of it as a train trying to get over a mountain. Alone a locomotive can not get the job done but if you put more than one you can pull a bigger train.
     
  5. Nuker

    Nuker Regular Member

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    More tiers more natural, it just need more work
     
  6. tgpycq

    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    Thanks for all the answers.

    I understand how this makes it look more natural. I also understand that this process will inadvertently create backlinks for the Tier 1 links to give it more authority.

    But my question remains:

    Instead of building 10 web2.0s each on 3 levels/tiers, why not just build one level/tier that consists of 30 web2.0s and blast the hell out of those 30 directly?

    Why go through all the different levels? Are 3 levels really needed? Won't it dilute the link juice? As a buffer, won't 1 level be enough? Just do more SB and Xrummer blasts on the 1 Level with the time saved. Will it not create the same/better effect?
     
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    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    Anyone else?
     
  8. hist0ry

    hist0ry Regular Member

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    Personally im taking the

    Money site < 9x domain blogs < 30x web2.0 pointed at each domain blog (tld)

    thats my approach and also some 2.0s at the money site
     
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    You can do this but when you build out multiple tiers and blast those your adding additional credibility and diversity in backlinking. In other words, the 2nd and 3rd level Web 2.0 sites will have more credibility than the 30 Web 2.0 properties that you've pounded with profiles and comment spam.

    Does that make sense?
     
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    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    How has that worked for you? Please do elaborate. Thanks.
     
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    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    Makes a lot of sense! Credibility, I understand but diversity? Aren't they still all the same type of links.

    But i'm sold on credibility. From your experience, does taking the time to build more tiers actually produces better results than just one tier?

    Thank you very much for the reply!
     
  12. burrit0

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    They work about the same, maybe a little better. If one of your lower sites gets a good pr, its an extra pr link which flows up, passing link juice to the money. Really what a pyramid is aimed at people who are in a more competitive niche and may need to spend a few months to get to page 1. By creating the pyramid, when you spam the *** out of your web 2.0s, google doesn't freak out as much and won't suspect the money site nearly as much.

    So to answer you, they work better because you can spam harder.

    TLDR: you can spam harder and faster without google looking too deeply into your site while still passing link juice.
     
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  13. tgpycq

    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    Which do you mean, works a little better?

    Your explanation makes a lot of sense too. But with every tier the link passes through, does it not also dilute the final link juice that reaches to money site? This is just a thought. I have not done the slightest research. I am solely depending on you guys to educate me on this.
     
  14. eternalfrost

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    I am also trying to wrap my head around this type of stuff.

    -would the "web 2.0" sites just be like blogger, twitter, facebook etc?
    -would these sites actually have any 'real' content on it? active/updated with content ever? or just pretty much a link and thats it?

    what if your "money site" runs on CPC ads, not selling anything?
     
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    IMO, the footprint created by pointing 30 x web 2.0s at your money site is too obvious, and if big G should tweak their algorithm they can and will be able to detect this kind of unnatural link building and will probably gSlap your money site.

    Creating a more natural link structure with a less obvious footprint reduces the chances of that happening.
     
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  16. burrit0

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    Think of it like this in terms of pr:
    4
    3 3 3
    2 2 2 2
    1 1 1 1 1

    now your bottom sites have a low page rank but there are quite a few. then it moves up, since exponentially more link juice is given based on page rank. Three pr 3 sites, along with other linking would make your site seem very legit, especially if they are linked to lower sites, instead of a few very high pr sites and then a bunch of 0/1's
     
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    tgpycq Supreme Member

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    Where did all the PRs come from? When we create such tiers, all the residing page PR should be 0.
     
  18. burrit0

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    web 2.0s have page ranks just like any other pages. those pr's are arbitrary but you get the picture. It negates the loss of link juice by having higher pr pages linked to you. Then you can blast you own page for more backlinks once it has reached a certain age.