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Has Anyone Ever Got A Penalty Through A Buffer Site?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by bigballin6161, Sep 4, 2016.

  1. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I would like to use some of the great PBN services from here but defiantly not direct to money site. Was wondering how safe it would be to use these through a buffer.
     
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    The point of the buffer is to take any penalties etc, they will be passing juice but if they get penalised you can drop them.
     
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    The whole purpose of a 'buffer' site is so that if you do get a penalty, the fix will be as easy as removing a single link. No submitting disavows for links of sites you don't control, reaching out to webmasters, etc...

    Same advice for anything you are contracting out: try it out first on something that doesn't matter as much, then once confident that service or product is as-described, proceed.

    Also, always expect the worse. If you expect a link to be shitty, you'll make preparations for dealing with any potential fallout while you take a risk—hoping for the better.
     
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    I get that. But is it possible for the penalty to hit your buffer and also the money site it links to? Can a penalty go 2 tiers deep is what i am asking I guess.

    So you are saying that if the site was to get penalized then you just simply remove the buffer link and penalty will be gone? I don't think so. Once you get a penalty they are a pain to get rid of and take forever!
     
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    Think about it, how and why does Google give you a penalty?

    More times than not, it's a 'pure-spam' type penalty (for many cases discussed in this forum anyway) which, more or less, means you've got a lot of shitty backlinks.

    It you've blasted a site with GSA and etc., creating 10's of thousands of crappy links, you've got a good chance of getting a penalty for the site you've pointed them all to.

    Now, if that site is your money site, you're in deep sh*t if you want to get rid of the penalty. You've either got to A.) Remove all the links or B.) Disavow all the links and submit a reconsideration request which, more times than not, is more trouble than it's worth.

    However, if you aimed all that spam at say, 100 buffer sites, then the most work you'd get stuck with to recover is removing 100 links. Still, that could be tricky.

    Thus, the invention of Tiered linking....

    1,000,000 links link to 100,000 links that link to 1,000 links that link to 100 links that link to 10 links that link to 1 link

    Considering your question, I'd say you're considering using a link to point to one of the 10 sites ( in the above example) which would be comparable to a PBN site with high quality content.

    If you have a link to your $money site on a site within the 10 in the above example, and you get a penalty through links that you've sent to that site, the only thing you have to do to sever that connection, is remove a single link on your 10 site—the one that points to your $money site.

    The same could be applied down the tiers, but unless you've got a really specific reason—those are usually assumed to be in danger of becoming penalized or de-indexed.

    Penalties are indeed pains in the ass, but if Google penalizes you for a single link, and that single link disappears, it's usually not that big of a deal to sort out.

    "Hey, I fixed those 10,000 shitty links to my site, will you remove the manual action?" sounds a LOT more suspect than "Hey, thanks for pointing out that single link—I got it fixed. I'm requesting the manual action be removed please."

    Also, IDK anyone that's had a manual action taken against them for a single link—which means you'd be able to recover by just removing the link, and waiting until Google crawls your site again.

    Penalties probably, but not manual actions I wouldn't think
     
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    What I want to do is buy PBN services here but I don't want to point them right to my money site. I did this before and my site got a manual penalty as they found the network out. I had to change my whole offline business name and everything. It was a huge pain in the ass.

    So what i am saying is if the network was discovered by G and they looked manually would they penalize through a buffer? Im not worried about tripping off spam filters as there is not going to be a lot of links. What i do want to do is order some high quality ones but without risking my site. Hope this makes sense.
     
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    That concern makes complete sense!

    Think of it like controlling the flow of water through pipes to your business—water being the link 'juice' getting passed to your money site.

    Let's say the building inspector (Google) comes by one day and says "Hey, you're bathroom isn't up to code, you have to accommodate those with disabilities." (manual action)

    That means you've got to re-plumb part of your bathroom before Google will accept your business are credible.

    Now, imagine how much harder it would be to re-plumb your bathroom if you couldn't manually shut of the waterflow. Imagine if you had to call your neighbors, friends, and everyone down 'pipe' from you to cut off the water flow to your business so you could change a few pipes. I'd be a pain in the ass, and really hard logistically.

    But that's never the case ( I hope ) in the real world because there are often several shut-off valves in each building, and an additional 'main' shutoff valve at the curb where the main line connects. All these shut-off valves are like your PBN sites. If something goes wrong, you just cut them off (remove a link)

    So at the end of the day, you can rest easy because if something does go wrong—you have control over the site (valves) needed to stem the flow of link juice. It's a powerful philosophy of business to keep as much under your control as possible.

    I'll give you an example:

    When I first started out, I wanted to see how effective spam links were for myself. I had heard, worthless traffic, lots of bots, use only on the lowest of link tiers. So, naturally, I aimed about 75K links at a money site and watched what happened. It was as expected, ranking tanked, spam penalties ensued, and I was sending TENS OF THOUSANDS of hits to the merchant who's offer I was promoting. The TENS OF THOUSANDS of referrals, resulted in zero commissions. I was ashamed of myself for causing such an un-targeted torrent of server burden towards that merchant, and the only practical way to stem off the flow was to delete all the links to that offer from the site, which still left the site see largely by Google as being garbage. So, I lost my links promoting my offer (from one ranking page anyway) and was faced with disavowing 75K+ links and going through the process of reconsideration by Google. Now, that site wasn't making much money, so it was an easy call to just delete the whole thing and forget about it But if it had been making money, I would have been screwed big time!

    Now, if I had pointed all that shitty spam at another site, which linked to my money site, all I would have had to do would have been remove the single link from my buffer site—getting rid of the garbage traffic to the affiliate offer while still keeping up the links, and severing the link between all that spam link juice and my money site so that Google would reconsider (algorithmically) my site's credibility.