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"Hard to get" links - How to get them, and why they are worth more.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Scritty, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    I thought I would add this post in the sure and certain knowledge that of a few people that read it hardly anyone would take any action based on my recommendations here. It's not like I want to spoil my own patch is it?


    When using scrapebox, (or many othger tools - but I'll use the ubiquitous scrapebox as an example here) "Value the hard to get links".


    There you are, I could leave and that couldn't I? ..

    But I won't, I'll elaborate a little bit.


    Point 1. Pre-prepared and published lists of "auto approve" blogs will have next to no link value whatsoever. These will place your link on sites that have become basically spam palaces. Yes your link will be approved, and on a page with probably many many thousands of other outbound links on a site with zero page rank and a desperate reputation. For 3rd tier linking, there may be some small value in this. Personally I'd rate this sort of linking more as an indexing exercise for the next tier up. But it's up to you how you look at it.


    Point 2. If you don't spin your comment your link is going to be pretty worthless anyway. Scrapebox will make names for you and that's fine, however the standard e-mails that it produces are not good enough.
    It only allows you to use one suffix. Crack open a spreadsheet and come up with a simple little program that adds tens of thousands of names to tens of thousands of e-mail suffixes. It'll take you a few moments and will obfuscate your footprint.
    But back to the comment. Spin it, in fact write 10 comments, spin them all individually, and then spin them all together. They don't have to be that long, 25 words is ample. You should be able to flip through this in 20 minutes with a decent spinning tool.


    Point 3. Run slow poster, and add captcha solving services. Don't avoid sites with captchas on them.
    Why not?
    Well let's put it this way. If you are the owner of a slightly better website you are more likely to protect your virtual real estate with at least captchas aren't you? In fact the harder and link is to get with scrapebox the more likely it is to have higher value.


    I'm not saying every site with the captcha is a high-value site.... I'm saying that they are more likely to have high value.


    There will be a correlation between the difficulty and time it takes to put a link there, and the value of the link that you achieve.



    Now, let's look at this another way. How many people just turn on fast poster and when it's finished turn it off and get on with the next scrapebox run?


    I'm hazarding a guess about 95% of all scrapebox users do this. If the site requires a captcha or it requires the use of a slow poster, it's probably not used.


    These are the same people that probably spend very little time spinning their comments and do not spin their e-mail suffix (or perhaps even a user-name) hard enough.


    They are likely not getting the best value for their time and effort.


    The power that links from high reputation sites give you isn't on a simple sliding scale from PR0 PR9 for example (PR is not a good indicator these days - but I use it because people are familiar with it).
    The increase in authority that is passed to your URL is raised exponentially as you gain links on higher quality sites.


    500 fast post links can probably be done in the time it takes to make 5 slow post links. But the chances are that those five slow post links could well have greater value.
    If they were on captcha protected sites, in a batch that you scraped yourself using a unique footprint, were posted on using a well spun comment, and a non-foot mark or traceable user-name and e-mail suffix, then you are probably on to a winner.


    Cycling through the three standard footprints, copying them all over into the poster and pressing "Post" is not going to give you particularly good results.


    But like I said, 95% of you will carry on doing that anyway. For those of you who want a little more power from your scrapebox time, consider the few points raised here.


    It is not wasted time to use slow poster or to attach a capture solving system to scrape box. Leaving it on and getting 4000 slow posted links in hard to reach and decent authority blogs and guestbooks overnight will boost your WEB2.0 first tier links brilliantly if done properly - but it's still something that the vast majority of users will never bother to do.


    THis is a big thumbs up for



    • Knowledge (of footprints and spinning)
    • Use of unique footprints
    • Harvesting of unique and niche specific targets
    • Proxies (for good scraping)
    • A server (or a home internet connection you are prepared to keep running 24/7) to allow you the time to reach those "hard to get" sites
    • Preparation of comment, name and email address
    • Integration of a captch service
    • Running of the Slow poster


    I may get a few less links through my tools than some people, but I would never swap my quality for quantity. (unless it was for a fiverr gig)



    Again - this will fall on deaf ears and personally, I'm glad of that but I thought - for the sake of my conscience - I'd mention it anyway.


    Scritty
     
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  2. radiant13

    radiant13 Power Member

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    Wow thanks for taking the time to write this up for us. Tortoise beat the hare again.
    Good stuff.
     
  3. crslaytor

    crslaytor Newbie

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    nice one, rep given!
     
  4. blackouts

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    Scritty my friend, that was some amazing thinking! So good to see some in-dept answers about the pro's and con's of "automated" software. I will comment tomorrow inn - full, wasted now, need some sleep, ...
     
  5. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Cheers blackout..anything you have that can refine the specifics of this still further will be appreciated.

    I think the rule is "automated" does not equal "no thought required". But let's see how this pans out.

    Scritty
     
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    Point 1. Absolutely right, those Auto approved list will be spammed to death very quickly and make those links close to usefull. Imagen, when a list gets shared here it passes by some many other leechers sites,fiverr gigs, facebook ads, ...


    Point 2. You're right, badly spun comments leave footprints for google to punish you or your competitors to find your backlinks! I would even spin it into another language and then back to the original one just to be sure.


    Point 3. Slow is the key, you've got to have patience and don't ring any alarm bells of askimet. Invest in quality private proxies to do posting, your succes rate will be a lot higher.

    Scapebox is a wonderfull piece of software that allows you to dicover it's full potential when you take the time to look behind the curtains.

    It's a swiss seo tool knife, you can do so many things with it, but 90% sticks with the illusion that if you download an AA list from somewhere and load it up, your site will be skyrocketed to the first place in google overnight ...

    One of the ways i use scapebox:

    Whenever i find a good high PR site to comment on i do the following:

    • i collect all the outgoing links in the external link checker or collect only the websites of the first 5 spam links (because they found the high PR site first to spam, so they know how to find the golden nuggets)
    • i do a backlink check on all those domains and download them
    • run them for a duplicated check first and then PR check
    • i delete everything that is lower the PR 4, because i believe that it's better to go for the higher and unspoiled sites
    • i remove url's containg pdf, viagra, sex , ...
    • and then i MANUALLY visit the most interesting site extensions, mostly ending in .html when you hoover over them
    • take the time to read the post, yes, i actualy read most of the post because that is what it takes to get your comments approved on hight PR sites! No generic lines like "i noticed you haven't got a rss symbol" or what theme are you using" ... but making a intelligent comment that will stick

    I agree with you that probably 90% of the users on this forum will never take the time to read things threw with patience and just go for the "how i made x$$ in 5 days" and "get the next facebook script" ...

    Automated tools are just tools that need a human brain to inject the creative and unique ideas in order to deliver perfect results.
     
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  7. Markbh

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    Thank you, Scritty for your excellent post and to Blackout for your lengthy comment.

    Depending on the budget available, I would use three tools instead of one.

    Firstly Scrapebox for scraping the targeted niche - though even non-niche specific quality sites will provide you link juice.

    Secondly I'd go with SeNukeX for the posting part. It does not require adding code to achive diversity and losing footprint, all you need to do is a manual overrun of parts of the Wizard.

    You should spin all the usernames, email addresses, comments and posts, which actually brings us to the tool number three - TheBestSpinner - seamlessly integrated into SeNukeX.

    It will be costlier, as you need to pay for captchas, too. Yet the result will make the cost insignificant.

    Google is getting smarter by the day, so to keep up in the arms' race, we have to get smarter likewise.
     
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  8. Thesis

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    Thanks for these useful insights. I also agree that harder to get links bring more value and are worth the effort. I noticed that G likes (or at least shows in the sites linking list) comments that have a link within the comment itself, rather than the link from the user name.
    The AA lists may be good for indexing purposes but I have a hunch that too many links from bad quality sites do more harm. I use them sometimes for tier 3-4 indexing but wouldn't have anything pointing to my main site from these.
    Regarding generating emails, I generate them randomly but I chose domain names that exist. I have no proof that domain name validity is checked by akismet and likes but it would be very easy to implement to detect spamming if someone decided to do it so I prefer playing it safe.
     
  9. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Aksimet local doesn't check email suffixes, but pro version (which I beleive submits certain stuff to a central server) may well check this.

    There aer a whole list of skills that are rarely talked about. BHW forum posts go from

    "Where is the curly bracket symbol for spinning in best spinner"

    and jump straight up to...

    "I'm writing a bot to parse Nato's defence documents in C#, with the documentation in Russian - does anyone know the codes to Putin's 128 bit encrypted underpants"

    With very little in between.

    Many more IMers should be concentratring on the middle groud skillsets.

    First, learning how to get the best from the tools you have, then moderate stuff like..


    • Basic HTML to format your links and banners properly.
    • Regular Expressions that so many tools use to decide on the format of data sent or stored.
    • Safe use of an FTP program
    • How to back up a website completely (MYsql and files is appropriate)
    • Methods to make content that are quicker than typing but not just "spin someone elses work or buy PLR"
    • What does each social media platform actually let you get away with?
    And a ton of other stuff that for the most part you just "need to know" and will often be the difference between success and failure on the 'net.


    Scritty
     
  10. ActionTaker

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    Scritty, about using SB properly.. So true that most people don't use it properly. It has tonnes of ways to use it and simply getting some shitty AA list will do close to no good anymore. Oh, there was a time, but that time has passed. Now, I only use SB to scrape, check PR and check live links. Those things alone, certainly if you know how to scrape, you'll end up with high PR d0follow lists where you can easily sneak in a quick backlink if you do it manually. I've made a list over the last couple of weeks (not nearly finished.. Not that it can ever be finished as there's always more) of 2000 places to drop a d0follow link and I reckon 30-40% will stick. And these have crazy low OBL :)
     
  11. Fripper

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    Thanks Scritty and others who have replied here, a good read.