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Guys im freaking out i hope somebody can explain this case to me

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Mactasty, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. Mactasty

    Mactasty Newbie

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    Hi guys im in panic mode and im in need for answers :confused:
    I have 2 webshops running on two different ip adresses and on the same server.
    Both dropped down from google top 10 to 60+ on 2 keywords (our main keywords), and 2 keywords 80+(secondairy keywords).
    If make a search query for site: then i see all my pages still indexed.


    We were in the google top 10 for 8 months on these 4 keywords with low competition.
    We achieved this results with GSA and jingling.
    GSA settings were "safe as possible" PR3 up links and less outgoing links with private proxies and Web 2.0.
    We added maybe 40 links a day. Jingling running about 1 month now and it seems to boost the traffic (alexa ranking).


    When i check the top 10 results i see some websites apear that were never there, its like a big change in rankings and we are dropped.
    Is it possible this is just temporary or maybe a penalty?
    I already check webmaster tools but not any message.
    Also i check the spam status in search options and nothing special just the default message.

    I hope somebody can give a suggestion or a advice greetings mac
     
  2. lancis

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    If its Penguin 2.1, noone will be able to give you an answer atm.
     
  3. Adam718

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    Big update yesterday. Your site is probably not going to recover any time soon, so I'd get to work on another one while simultaneously building clean links to the penalized one.
     
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    Don't panic just yet
    Google often do rollbacks after a few days
    they are hoping you panic, so they will catch you out
     
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    It's just an update, you'll have to wait for a while to hear some more details about it.
    Maybe you're site will recover, give it time.
     
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    You did BH now you got slapped and that's it. You can continue freaking out or you can start something else
     
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    JuST Wait for couple of days and then you can start building links again.
     
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    Hey OP what is "Jingling"? A software?
     
  9. seo-addict

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    If it wasn't obvious already, Google has [IMO] added the disavow data into penguin and they are de-ranking sites based on it.

    Think about it... Most ppl using GSA / Xrumer etc have same sources that have been disavow hundreds of times. An easy way for Google to detect spam would be to say "if your backlink profile contains X% of disavow'ed links you are considered a spam site"...

    So being that ( I'm guessing ) your main source of links was GSA, and if my theory is correct, it would explain why you dropped.

    Seems a lot of people with GSA / XR type links are gone from the SERPS now.
     
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    I believe the "payday loans" algorithm update was the first "disavow" link update. Now with Penguin 2.1 [IMO] they have simply updated their disavow sources to include more domains. As their pool of disavow links grows, they can simply release updates and keep penalizing
    those who they "know" are attempting to game the system.
     
  11. rettaibi

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    Yeah it is a free chinese software that sends fake traffic to your website and that increases your alexa rank.
     
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  12. TheLinkGuy

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    Big algorithm update is what caused this.

    My one website that recovered from the recent algorithm update had an unnatural link warning that I had removed from removing backlinks. After that was removed and the latest aglrotihm update my rankings are back to where they were before.

    I would suggest removing backlinks and clean up the profile if you are serious about your website. Otherwise ditch it and move on.
     
  13. virtualpurity

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    GSA does not use the same source to post links, it searches for different page every time to post depending on you settings, and its fully adoptable for any requirements to create natural looking links.

    Google knows that they cant break the backlinking schemes of the sites because there are soo many factors involved that if they are considered in the algos they would create a BIG MESS like with this last update where a lot of White Hat Sites got dumped, so thats why i think they are slowly turning to improve content and quality recognition. The fact that now more and more subpages that have good content are ranked on higher positions only proves that point.

    An example of the mess they make is the : National Association for Family Child Care ranking on#3 for the keyword " buy viagra online" .. This shows a small insight in google algos and how they dont preform very well, and google are fully aware of that.
     
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    Believe what you want, they they are certainly using disavow link sources against us. That's why if you look at sites ranking in the most competitive niches, most of them are using mostly blog network / other HPR links.

     
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    Yep- all of my websites that use a private homepage network I'm in are still killing it.

    Its clear Google cant do much to stop those type of links than by deindexing them.
     
  16. Mactasty

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    Thanks for all the advices, i am very serious about my websites and will start with a cleaner linking profile.
    Do you guys think that it is possible to recover?
     
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    Yep, it's the way to go, hide your networks from backlink crawlers as well. I also agree with seo-addict, google probably couldn't believe their luck then people actually used the disavow tool, as if google is going to do you a favour.This is where neg seo rears it head. The links used for it will also be standard SB lists, so those trying to improve their sites get hit because some clown has negged a site and .rightly so imho, the owner just wants shot of the links so tries to disavow them, unknowingly giving google ammo in these updates.
     
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    Try adding more content and high pr blog network links.

     
  19. GamingOn

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    Google is getting tougher and tougher on spam. So more you spam even on what you call safe setting it is still spamming and cheating the system. Eventually Google and other search engines will be able to see all spamming and the only death for SEO that will happen is the death of Black Hat SEO.

    I would suggest learning some white hat SEO or at least start learning black hat techniques that aren't link schemes because those seem to be the target of major search engines like Google. I know several techniques that would be considered white hat but they are really nice things to do to rank in Google search engine and others.

    I would suggest also not focusing on one keyword but many keywords long tail because that can be taken without even trying but 100% unique content. Good luck on this I hope your Black Hat SEO works for you in the future but not all link schemes will work forever.

    Just my 2 cents.

    No need to rage, flame or be mean :) lol! :D

    ^_^
     
  20. virtualpurity

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    I dint said that you were wrong in fact i am pretty sure that you are 100% right and they have the disavow link sources implemented as a filter ( they would be stupid if they dont use them ) ...

    I was just stating that GSA can build links from any source you tell it to and can scraps new sites that are not connected with the disavow link sources if you set it up correctly so it can not be easily traced back.