Guaranteed Success On YouTube, A Shorts Exploit and Why Shorts Are A Bad Idea

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i was going to respond to a pm but i thought i'd make a general post for anyone else considering making a shorts focused channel.

- My old channel

i don't recommend shorts channels for long term, or really anything for that matter, unless you're selling something. my "main" channel is now demonetized and was shorts mixed with long form content, with the shorts gathering most of the views. newly uploaded long form content only usually gets 50 views per video which is awful and the pitiful revenue seen below came from search ranked videos, up until i was demonetized for reused content.
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as you can see revenue was absolutely abysmal for that amount of views. but enough about my old channel, onto the new ones.

- Shorts for fast subscribers

i am lazy, so consequently my content is low effort, reposted garbage, and i'm sticking with my old niche since i have learned quite a lot about it. recently i had an idea involving shorts for channel growth to accumulate 1k subscribers, get the channel monetized, and sell it on.

to test my hypothesis, i created two channels, and put out a batch of initial shorts, maxing out the upload limit on both channels. and what do you know, within two days both channels had reached 1k subs and growing. but i decided to hold off on channel flipping, because i believe the few hundred dollars of channels i could create in a day is nothing compared to the potential of using this to grow channels.

now just to be clear, i have been doing this for a very short amount of time, and have had no major success. so this advice is a bit like jesus trying to cure a blind mans vision, if jesus himself was blind. but hear me out anyway.

- The formula to success
- Preparing the channel


  1. upload 15 shorts a day for 3 or so days. viewbot all of the shorts on the channel. Mix of external referrers to watch page, and external referrers to the shorts shelf. Don't use search / browse / suggested views, ESPECIALLY if you are buying them from someone. the setup i used was a personally made API viewbot and 20 rotating proxies. every half an hour I would send off a batch of 20 views to each video. no bot interaction is required or even helps, however you need to ensure that the viewer interaction is AMAZING. i will leave you to figure this one out but i found a method, and it works wonders. your absolute minimum target for views to subscriber ratio is about 100 at first when you're reaching new users. if it is much lower your channel will most likely die off when it comes to shorts.
  2. wait for the subscribers to come. i will attach the analytics so you can see how fast the two channels grew (100% success rate so far). i gave up uploading on both of them for a good while hence the view dropoff. one channel is sat there accumulating dust and 2k views a day, the other i will be using for this strategy. you can see when the uploads started
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  4. once you reach around 1k subscribers, your channel is sufficiently grown and ready to upload long form content to.
- Uploading videos

  1. you will want to know how to upload properly if you want to do well. all of the basics like title, thumbnails, keywording and tags. i don't think it's strictly necessary but set your upload defaults to contain some good tags and descriptions, and then forget about them.
  2. test the natural reach of your videos for the first few uploads. in my case around 500 views a video was natural. now to make a video get promoted.
  3. since we are at 1k subs, we should have the community tab. i'd call this a bit of an exploit. youtube shorts increase the reach of your community posts, but not of your videos. so you need to use community posts to promote your videos and get your long form videos to start showing on homepages. post polls with your video link in the community post text and in a comment on it. these have a relatively good click through, and in my experience youtube prefer these "internal" social signals to ones from external sites such as twitter. doesn't make much sense, but this is all anecdotal so hey.
  4. do external promotion if you can, with real people, viewbotting isn't a good idea any more. i have a trick for getting real social media views to youtube with 0 effort, but i don't feel like sharing that since i think i go in depth enough here as is, and plus i don't even use it so you will be fine with this. if you are like me and have other channels in the same niche you can do community posts, pinned comments and end screens to get views from there. views from people outside of your channel's "related channel" bubble helps a lot in growing since you break into a new subset of people that get shown your video. just keep the audience in your niche as to not harm clickthrough.
  5. if your content is decent, you should start getting views.
- Conclusion

I've only been uploading long form content on one channel for 4 days, and so far i have had one video do alright. here are the in depth analytics so you can get an idea of how it happened and what to aim for. if this rambling wasn't any use, i hope these analytics are helpful since i would have loved to see them since this is the first little bit of success i've had from natural browse features views.

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note that click through rate, watchtime and retention remained consistent throughout the growth.


sorry for the mess of the thread, hope someone found something here useful. let me know if you have any questions about anything.

tl;dr - using mixed content is bad, you can start a long form channel with short form content to get an initial audience to get it off the ground. youtube shorts increase community post reach but not regular video reach, so exploit that.

also stop buying smm panel views its retarded. or smm panel anything. they are nothing but trouble. the views are low quality with IPs getting reused like no tomorrow. your videos, especially long form videos, will be suggested to the wrong people entirely, often other people who used the same panels, and people from irrelevant countries and different languages. their subs are poorly maintained accounts and will drop at some point, and decrease subscriber interaction which seems to be somewhat important. the only thing i'd ever use them for is watch time for monetization, but if you need to bot to monetization there isn't much point in monetizing. this is slightly hypocritical since i do use bots to help supplement a bit of watch time and get monetized faster, but i made my own bots. they simulate a real user in my niche. smm panels only hurt.
 
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i was going to respond to a pm but i thought i'd make a general post for anyone else considering making a shorts focused channel.

- My old channel

i don't recommend shorts channels for long term, or really anything for that matter, unless you're selling something. my "main" channel is now demonetized and was shorts mixed with long form content, with the shorts gathering most of the views. newly uploaded long form content only usually gets 50 views per video which is awful and the pitiful revenue seen below came from search ranked videos, up until i was demonetized for reused content.
View attachment 184196View attachment 184197


as you can see revenue was absolutely abysmal for that amount of views. but enough about my old channel, onto the new ones.

- Shorts for fast subscribers

i am lazy, so consequently my content is low effort, reposted garbage, and i'm sticking with my old niche since i have learned quite a lot about it. recently i had an idea involving shorts for channel growth to accumulate 1k subscribers, get the channel monetized, and sell it on.

to test my hypothesis, i created two channels, and put out a batch of initial shorts, maxing out the upload limit on both channels. and what do you know, within two days both channels had reached 1k subs and growing. but i decided to hold off on channel flipping, because i believe the few hundred dollars of channels i could create in a day is nothing compared to the potential of using this to grow channels.

now just to be clear, i have been doing this for a very short amount of time, and have had no major success. so this advice is a bit like jesus trying to cure a blind mans vision, if jesus himself was blind. but hear me out anyway.

- The formula to success
- Preparing the channel


  1. upload 15 shorts a day for 3 or so days. viewbot all of the shorts on the channel. Mix of external referrers to watch page, and external referrers to the shorts shelf. Don't use search / browse / suggested views, ESPECIALLY if you are buying them from someone. the setup i used was a personally made API viewbot and 20 rotating proxies. every half an hour I would send off a batch of 20 views to each video. no bot interaction is required or even helps, however you need to ensure that the viewer interaction is AMAZING. i will leave you to figure this one out but i found a method, and it works wonders. your absolute minimum target for views to subscriber ratio is about 100 at first when you're reaching new users. if it is much lower your channel will most likely die off when it comes to shorts.
  2. wait for the subscribers to come. i will attach the analytics so you can see how fast the two channels grew (100% success rate so far). i gave up uploading on both of them for a good while hence the view dropoff. one channel is sat there accumulating dust and 2k views a day, the other i will be using for this strategy. you can see when the uploads started
  3. View attachment 184199View attachment 184200
  4. once you reach around 1k subscribers, your channel is sufficiently grown and ready to upload long form content to.
- Uploading videos

  1. you will want to know how to upload properly if you want to do well. all of the basics like title, thumbnails, keywording and tags. i don't think it's strictly necessary but set your upload defaults to contain some good tags and descriptions, and then forget about them.
  2. test the natural reach of your videos for the first few uploads. in my case around 500 views a video was natural. now to make a video get promoted.
  3. since we are at 1k subs, we should have the community tab. i'd call this a bit of an exploit. youtube shorts increase the reach of your community posts, but not of your videos. so you need to use community posts to promote your videos and get your long form videos to start showing on homepages. post polls with your video link in the community post text and in a comment on it. these have a relatively good click through, and in my experience youtube prefer these "internal" social signals to ones from external sites such as twitter. doesn't make much sense, but this is all anecdotal so hey.
  4. do external promotion if you can, with real people, viewbotting isn't a good idea any more. i have a trick for getting real social media views to youtube with 0 effort, but i don't feel like sharing that since i think i go in depth enough here as is, and plus i don't even use it so you will be fine with this. if you are like me and have other channels in the same niche you can do community posts, pinned comments and end screens to get views from there. views from people outside of your channel's "related channel" bubble helps a lot in growing since you break into a new subset of people that get shown your video. just keep the audience in your niche as to not harm clickthrough.
  5. if your content is decent, you should start getting views.
- Conclusion

I've only been uploading long form content on one channel for 4 days, and so far i have had one video do alright. here are the in depth analytics so you can get an idea of how it happened and what to aim for. if this rambling wasn't any use, i hope these analytics are helpful since i would have loved to see them since this is the first little bit of success i've had from natural browse features views.

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note that click through rate, watchtime and retention remained consistent throughout the growth.


sorry for the mess of the thread, hope someone found something here useful. let me know if you have any questions about anything.

tl;dr - using mixed content is bad, you can start a long form channel with short form content to get an initial audience to get it off the ground. youtube shorts increase community post reach but not regular video reach, so exploit that.

also stop buying smm panel views its retarded. or smm panel anything. they are nothing but trouble. the views are low quality with IPs getting reused like no tomorrow. your videos, especially long form videos, will be suggested to the wrong people entirely, often other people who used the same panels, and people from irrelevant countries and different languages. their subs are poorly maintained accounts and will drop at some point, and decrease subscriber interaction which seems to be somewhat important. the only thing i'd ever use them for is watch time for monetization, but if you need to bot to monetization there isn't much point in monetizing. this is slightly hypocritical since i do use bots to help supplement a bit of watch time and get monetized faster, but i made my own bots. they simulate a real user in my niche. smm panels only hurt.
Please , I want to start using shorts to promote clickbank products


What do you recommend.

The shorts I posted is not getting views yet
 

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Idk how you're doing so good. I do almost the same (I give the link to friends so no simulation here hh)
But my shorts stays at 5-30 views on 4 channels.
And the channel that did succeed just suddenly stopped growing. Just like YouTube decided to remove me from shorts shelf
 

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Idk how you're doing so good. I do almost the same (I give the link to friends so no simulation here hh)
But my shorts stays at 5-30 views on 4 channels.
And the channel that did succeed just suddenly stopped growing. Just like YouTube decided to remove me from shorts shelf
It isn't down to luck or anything. Everything I do is in that post.

As for why your shorts don't work, how is your click through, retention and view to subscriber ratio? 100 views to 1 subscriber is an absolute minimum imo.
 

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Solid guide, I'll never use it but for a such quality post like this you're 100% right I'll give it a like!
 

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view to subscriber ratio? 100 views to 1 subscriber is an absolute minimum imo.
I should add that it also matters if it’s your subs that are viewing your videos. You could have a high view to subscriber ratio but if most of those views are coming from external sources and your actual subs don’t contribute towards your views, that’s a signal to YouTube that your content isn’t performing as well it needs to for it to be recommended.
 

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I should add that it also matters if it’s your subs that are viewing your videos. You could have a high view to subscriber ratio but if most of those views are coming from external sources and your actual subs don’t contribute towards your views, that’s a signal to YouTube that your content isn’t performing as well it needs to for it to be recommended.
thanks for the input but that isn't really a concern with shorts. shorts have the advantage that once someone watches one of your shorts and sends a positive signal to youtube, they won't be able to escape your channel on the shorts shelf. so subscriber percentages are usually massive with shorts, hence you shouldn't be concerned as long as your shorts are all the same niche and you aren't sub botting.
 

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I’m interesting to have a view bot to give an initial push for my long videos. I have been on the YouTube channel for a month. Can u help me?
 

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It isn't down to luck or anything. Everything I do is in that post.

As for why your shorts don't work, how is your click through, retention and view to subscriber ratio? 100 views to 1 subscriber is an absolute minimum imo.
Ctr is about 6% and RR is on most of the videos higher then 90%

But my shorts doesn't go to the shelf anymore, it's about 5 days now that none of the new videos from the last 5 days got into the shelf.
Non of them, and it's just happend suddenly, only the my current most performing video is still getting a bit of views from shorts feed.
Others getting at most 50 views per day from external sources/browse features
 

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Ctr is about 6% and RR is on most of the videos higher then 90%

But my shorts doesn't go to the shelf anymore, it's about 5 days now that none of the new videos from the last 5 days got into the shelf.
Non of them, and it's just happend suddenly, only the my current most performing video is still getting a bit of views from shorts feed.
Others getting at most 50 views per day from external sources/browse features
CTR is difficult with shorts, but mine are always at least 10 and average 15.

My old channels first short got to 1k views, so I uploaded around ten more. None blew up so I gave up with shorts. But one of them just sat there for 30 days doing nothing, but eventually it started getting shorts views and is at 1.3m views now. So it can take a while, especially when a channel isn't fresh. Maybe start a new channel.

I’m interesting to have a view bot to give an initial push for my long videos. I have been on the YouTube channel for a month. Can u help me?
Can't help you there. My advice is, if you can't make your own viewbot, then don't viewbot at all. Never use an smm panel, and don't trust anyone.
 

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CTR is difficult with shorts, but mine are always at least 10 and average 15.

My old channels first short got to 1k views, so I uploaded around ten more. None blew up so I gave up with shorts. But one of them just sat there for 30 days doing nothing, but eventually it started getting shorts views and is at 1.3m views now. So it can take a while, especially when a channel isn't fresh. Maybe start a new channel.


Can't help you there. My advice is, if you can't make your own viewbot, then don't viewbot at all. Never use an smm panel, and don't trust anyone.
It's new channel, I got the views and subs from shorts.
I tried to create more channels and none of them got more then 20 views. (at least 6 videos per channel)
 

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It's new channel, I got the views and subs from shorts.
I tried to create more channels and none of them got more then 20 views. (at least 6 videos per channel)
I'd say upload something else. Clearly if your click through is low then either you aren't titleing your videos well, or there isn't enough interest in general.
 

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youtube will approve if you apply monetization if your videos are all shorts?
 

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Here are my simple tips. A short video saves the viewing history separately from the regular video. Search history is also not affected. Upload viral content with a variety of comprehensive keywords.

The wider the exposed category, the more your video will be exposed in other places. That's it. Short videos are very easy.
 

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Thanks for the share, very interesting.
 

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I'd say upload something else. Clearly if your click through is low then either you aren't titleing your videos well, or there isn't enough interest in general.
Does ctr really matters with shorts tho?
 

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youtube will approve if you apply monetization if your videos are all shorts?
Yes, but you need at least 1 long form video since watch time from shorts isn't counted towards monetization.

Does ctr really matters with shorts tho?
Yes of course. If no one is clicking your video they aren't gonna keep showing it to new people.
Here are my simple tips. A short video saves the viewing history separately from the regular video. Search history is also not affected. Upload viral content with a variety of comprehensive keywords.

The wider the exposed category, the more your video will be exposed in other places. That's it. Short videos are very easy.
Yes short videos are easy, but I don't see much reason to runn viral video short channels. I think using shorts to get an initial audience is the best approach.
 
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