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Greengoblin Scammed me for $5,000 Dollars Cash

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by Breadwinner1, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Elite Member

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    For balance, can you shoot me the bank statements too? I've seen my fair share of faked accounts so hopefully a secondary judgement on that will clear things up should GG not be able to provide proof of payment.

    Disclaimer: I am also not FBI :)
     
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  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    You can rant as much as you like. The thing is simple:

    You claimed you have made a $3k bank deposit in cash to the OP's Wells Fargo bank account.
    The OP's bank statement doesn't seem to validate your claim

    The only thing that's left is for you to provethat you made the cash deposit. The mails you want to send me between you and a third party which is involved with card fraud has nothing to do with this. If you can show that you did make the bank cash deposit and this moves forward, the time will come for those mails to be examined. As I said already, I will not do any guessing. Instead we take things step by step from the start.
     
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  3. GreenGoblin

    GreenGoblin BANNED BANNED

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    This is not a rant...its about you following bhw rules and reg, and again u failed to tell everyone on this thread why are those rules compromised? Now more then likely u will say...im a mod here and don't question my authority, ok cool! so the question now is...why is another mods rules being compromised by another mod?

    you never answer the question! u never even give a reason...i can accept a "hey bro my mistake you right" lets review this again...but rather then do that we are on 3 pages of pure inconsistency.

    Now again exactly why are the rules in bhw compromised in this thread again? or will u send me the "hey im a mod don't question me i can do what i want" spill
     
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  4. jazzc

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    Done :) Thanks for taking part on this!
     
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  5. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I'm a lousy mod, what can I say.... :eek: refer back to my posts where I invite you to shitlist and report me to the higher ups.
     
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  6. GreenGoblin

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    jazz can u read the post above and explain to me...cause i don't understand, why are the rules being compromised for this SL
     
  7. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Elite Member

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    Thread closed until the morning, I need some sleep.

    This is turning into something it would expect from 9 year old children, not a business forum.
     
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  8. meathead1234

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    Reopening again for the OP, GG, and Jazzc only.

    For balance, I have been sent the bank statements by Jazzc - directly from the OP. Upon review, there are no $3000 deposits and I believe the statements to be legitimate. I've also seen my fair share of faked accounts and these look legitimate to me.

    GG has been given time to privately supply proof of the $3k payment he claimed via PM but so far has not, despite thread being nearly 3 days old and repeatedly asked. Appears to be currently more interested in arguing the validity of the shit list rather than providing evidence that he didn't rip someone off.

    @ GG - you have 24 hours to provide proof of the $3k payment either via the thread or PM. I do not want to hear any more arguing about rules or patronising nonsense about ad networks not paying you - these are just a distraction from the matter at hand. You claimed you paid the OP $3k, the OP has provided proof you have not, so the burden of proof is back on you.
     
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  9. meathead1234

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    Closing again. GG has sent a proposed resolution so going to review.
     
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  10. meathead1234

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    Posting from mobile, please excuse typos.

    This thread has got unnecessarily long and complex. The claims that are relevant and taken into account here:

    - The OP and GreenGoblin entered into a JV/investment agreement.
    - The OP claimed GG had not sent 3k that was part of what was owed.
    - GG disputed this saying he had paid.
    - The OP provided proof, privately, to Jazzc and myself that he had not received the payment. While it is impossible to verify the accuracy of the bank statements, I believe them to be legitimate.
    - GG was given sufficient time to provide proof of payment. While it is claimed he did not "need" to keep proof, it seems unlikely to be that a businessman entering into a JV relationship would not keep an audit trail of payments made, regardless how it was paid.
    - GG has not provided proof. The proposed resolution involved GG continuing to claim the OP is asking for an "extra" 3k but still unable to prove the original payment.
    - GGs proposed resolution also involved various veiled threats related to legal action. Whilst BHW is merely mediating a dispute in this case, should either party wish to pursue a civil resolution outside of the forum, that is their choice.
    - Ultimately, GG has not been able or willing to provide proof of the 3k payment and had been given plenty of time. I do not believe the proof to be forthcoming so will not be granting any further extensions.

    Everything beyond the above is a distraction from the main issue. Lying about a 3k payment and not being able to prove it is sufficient for a valid shit list. Any other disputes are secondary/not material here.

    Some other considerations of note:

    The shit list rules generally apply to disputes between established members. Whilst the OP is new to BHW, this is not the first complaint about GreenGoblin and moderators are able to use their discretion when interpreting the rules. In this case, GG questioned the interpretation by Jazzc so I volunteered to act as a neutral third party. I have no ties to GG or Jazz outside of BHW so am entirely impartial. Upon reflection, I have no issue with Jazz approving the shit list and GG did not dispute the relationship with the OP so it seems reasonable to let it run, especially as GG has been actively offering services/JVs on BHW for a number of years. In order to retain impartiality, Jazz and I agreed it would be best for me to conclude the thread.

    A number of established members reached out to me with various claims regarding past and present issues with GG not paying JVs. Whilst this is not something that affects the outcome here, it is important when considering the validity of the shit list. Should I have thought the OP (a new member) was the only one who had ever had an issue with GG and had joined just to be disruptive, it may have been a different matter entirely. From the messages I received, it sounds as if there are numerous other valid shit list claims that have not been made against GG. I would consider this likely due to the nature of excuses and threats he has used here.

    To conclude:

    GreenGoblin has been issued lifetime ban.

    Usually we would offer a chance to have the ban reinstated upon payment in full to the OP, but I do not consider this in the best interests of the BHW members, especially as GG lied publicly and it's not his first incident.

    BHW has a long standing reputation for protecting its members and not giving in to threats, nor allowing long standing/senior members to get away with things. Many other forums are clique and senior members often rip of newbies with no recourse. This is why BHW remains one of the best forums to learn internet marketing, and why many of us moderators volunteer our time to give back while running successful businesses at the same time. We are not all kids in our parents basement :)

    For those who are concerned about the approach to this thread, myself and Jazzc are fully accountable for our decisions and Damien is able to reverse the decision, downgrade or ban us should he consider our approach to be incorrect or involve bias or malice towards GG.

    OP - as a new member of the forum, I would encourage you to actively participate and learn. Hopefully you can gain the skills needed to succeed without the need for "too good to be true" investments. This will also help alleviate some of the concerns raised that you are just here to discredit GG.

    As a lesson to you all, never throw good money after bad with investments. Learn when to cut your losses. It could be the difference between complete financial independence or living pay check to pay check for the rest of your life.

    I'll keep the thread open for a few days in case there is anything the OP would like to add. Everyone else - please keep posts on topic.

    Thanks all.
     
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  11. Breadwinner1

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    -First and foremost I want to thank meathead and jazz for being very fair, for sticking to the facts and cutting any bs nonsense from the reality of this SL thread. To be honest, after I exhausted all forms of contact with gg to get my 5k, I never thought that I can come to the very place I met him to get some closure in this. The funny thing is, is that I was talking to my father over the weekend and he was asking me about my business ventures and how I was doing and I told him everything is going great, I felt so bad because my mom and dad had various talks with me about getting married life, success, And at one point my mom pointed at my dad and said ?Do you want to live your life like him?) meaning he went thru hell and back to get me to where I am working 9 to 5 and breaking his back every day minimum wage since I was born, But he was a good man he never wanted more then to see me make it and whenever I call him his just happy to hear me doing so great in the marriage world J(PS I?m 24 yrs. Old)My wife is still in school to be nurse and I do what I have to do to put plate and roof over our head. And I am working my butt off because it will be worth it in the end, I?m content with my life and I remember telling gg about my plans, I don?t know what made him hate me so much to do that to me when all I ever did was trust him again and again.


    -GG knew about my situation and I think he wanted to use it to his advantage. He knew I had nobody outside my family he knew I was working all year in 2014 so I can get decent tax return to play ( you got to have money to make money) I worked day and night in that year and it worked out great because I got to marry the girl that I was dating since 2010, helped my mom open a store named after me plus have money to invest I just wish that I never met him on here and I was doing business with all the real gentlemen that are on this forum.

    -With that being said is the very reason I avoided BHW because GG was the first contact I had on here and my first impression with GG made me think twice before I do any type of business with anybody on here. But clearly I was wrong about this site and that you guys were like angels brought down and saved me from future troubles with this scambag.

    -The integrity and values that my parents instilled in my mind is like a reflection to how you guys handled this. I would have kept away from this site if greengoblin paid me my 5k after lying to us all and seeing him still on here, Even tho my dad would have a heart attack if I told him I just lost 5k like that especially that I have families back home struggling and they could have lived a whole year stress free with that 5k and they would have praised me for life. I understand all the concerns that were perceived to me by my parents and GG tried to ruin my life. But I will never give up, I know a lot of you guys were reaching out to me via PM, Once I reach my 15 posts I will reply back to everybody, Meathead I will take your advice and I will vow to stay on this site every day for minimum of 3hrs a day after work So I can learn and grow with this community and make real life connections.


    Thanks Guys.
     
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  12. proxygo

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    bread winner, there will always be the small few who try and take advantage of a lesser user
    sometimes they will do it because they think they can lie there way out of it sometimes because
    they think there time here means they think they have some credibility.

    credibility doesn't come with how long you have been on bhw, hell ive seen some members here
    only a few months show more credibility than some so called seasoned members
    credibility doesn't come in a post count number or the color of your name, it comes with how
    you treat people, how you work and how far you will go when things go wrong to fix it.

    i would ask dont judge bhw by the idiot few, all forums have them, and in time they will always
    show there true self/intentions and be found out, sorry you had to learn this the hard way.

    in a time when money hard earned sails down the toilet and the other user trys to lie his way out
    one can only say on behalf of bhw members, sorry, but remember this, for every idiot on bhw there
    are good people to found, hard working members, and even harder working mods.

    i wish u well on your next endeavor what ever that maybe, dont look down look forward and onward

    proxygo
     
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  13. Conor

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    What a tedious little pick GG was. Fantastic job by JazzC and meathead keeping their cool and handling the situation professionally despite all his crap.

    It's a pity about your money OP, wishing you all the best in your future online endeavours. Nothing stopping you from making back 10x that amount in future.
     
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    GG was fucked anyway, even if he wasn't banned no one would deal with him in future after the way he acted in this shit list.

    Good riddance.
     
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    When somebody makes their first line of defence "it didn't happen on BHW", you know (a) they are a clown, (b) how it will end.

    Nice work Jazzc and Meathead1234, you guys have a shit ton of patience.

    OP, sorry you lost money, but any clown offering investment type JV's should be avoided.
    (There are exceptions but these are so few that they aren't worth mentioning)
     
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    It was evident from the very first post of GG that he was at fault and that he was trying to manipulate jazzc.
     
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    When somebody reacts to an accusation by throwing their toys out of the pram and acting like a spoilt child you can see where it will lead.

    You are correct, the mods here do have lots of patience. I would have banned this idiot before page 2!
     
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    At least reading that con mans posts was educational. A what to avoid sort of thing. That dkhead was REALLY trying to distract/change the subject the whole time. Very interesting. Fantastic moderation by both mods.
     
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    hey buddy
    sorry about your money lost--- BUT do not let that stop you from being focused and starting another IM projects ...you can learn more from fealure than success

    and...you can make more money in future and no one can stop you reaching your goals

    cheers
     
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    i'm sorry for knowing that he is your 1st contact, i consider my self very lucky for knowing someone in BHW and he is now one of my best friends, even i never met him.

    and for the mods, they are the idol people here, they doing impressive job in the forum.
     
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