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Great Post From Microsite Masters on State of Serps since Penguin

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Nordajgt, May 2, 2012.

  1. Nordajgt

    Nordajgt Regular Member Premium Member

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    Yea I read this already, very insightful
     
  3. Nordajgt

    Nordajgt Regular Member Premium Member

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    I think the main take away from the article is that sites that are penalized had very little links coming from domains in their niche.

     
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    artificial_genius Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I agree completely with this assessment. Links coming from domains in your niche is much harder to automate which makes those links much more reliable for Google to use as a ranking signal. Guess that means blackhats have to step up their game a little bit :)
     
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    Read it, it is very good and informative.
     
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    pretty good article
    gonna test some with my new MNS
     
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    This makes sense I had a site with a small amount of links rank #2 for a 30k term. Upon investigating all my links I noticed a lot of site's in the same niche "Mobile's" had linked back to posts on my site. One had links on over 1000 pages on the site.

    I think this has been a strong ranking factor for some time now.
     
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    Best article I have read on the subject so far. Thanks for the share!
     
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    I often have to deal with statistics, and that article left a bitter taste in my mouth. :) Let me explain why...

    Statistics is all about the approach you choose to collect your data. If you're bad in data mining - statistics will show you anything but the truth.

    Judging by the charts, these guys analyzed about 100 sites - way too few for conclusions. They never mentioned HOW they collected their data and how they processed it.

    When you statistically find out that the age of the child and his height correlate - it doesn't mean you have performed a statistical study. :) It means you stated the obvious.
     
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    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    Excellent post on the issue.
     
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    Ok, next service, "related links" few years ago I used 'keywordluv' to find them, sometimes ranked a MNS with 2-3 links, people turned it off though due to the spam ;-) someone here can sort this out I reckon, can SB or XR not do this?
     
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    I just have a gut feeling that all the same niche backlinks are worth more has always been false and still is. I don't think it matters what niche your backlinks come from if it's related or not. It does matter if you end up getting more and targeted traffic because of it but I don't see them giving more value, I think were giving the algo too much credit but I haven't tested this so wtf do I know.
     
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    Good insights on Penguin, but I guess we will have to wait a couple weeks more to have real and proven data on it!
     
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    That confirms what I was starting to think - anchor text is now less important than surrounding text. Good read.
     
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    Thanks plus rep for the share!
     
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    In that post they mentioned a "money keyword".

    Can some one define this exactly please and maybe an example?


    I do have a few ideas, i just prefer not to presume.
     
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    If you want to rank on google for "blue widgets" then that's your money keyword, they are suggesting that you should dilute the amount of money keyword links you've built
     
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    Ok, so it seems that anchor text diversity is important and its also important to have the exact website url as anchor text too.

    The evidence seems clear.
     
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    Article sums it up very well, but all this was always present - niche link was much better than some unrelated even before this algo update and it's quite obvious that you need to diversify anchor texts. The truth is that this algo change the percentage and requires from you to be more careful with exact keyword as anchor text and to search for niche links, the second one is much harder.
     
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    I'm glad so many of you were able to take away something positive from this. We're all fighting the same fight and without knowledge and regard for change, everyone in our industry is naked and unarmed.