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Got scammed for $500 on landing page desing job. Username Skripel

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by NitroCan, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. NitroCan

    NitroCan Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hi guys,
    Just got scammed by a Junior Vip member for $500.

    This is his profile:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/137123-skripel.html

    What we did:
    We designed 2 landing pages and coded it. This was for Skripel and his partner.

    Refer to this thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/507006-landing-page-designer-needed.html

    He was looking for a designer at Hire a Freelancer section. We sent him few mockups for free. He approved one of them and asked us to send him an invoice via freelancer.

    We invoiced him the same day and he said he gonna pay after the job is done. We completed the job, and right after the job was completed Skripel's partner disappeared. Its been 3 weeks now.

    I don't wanna go into all the details in public, I've notified Bigbuddy regarding this, I hope this matter is resolved as soon as possible. Willing to send all skype screenshots to the mods.

    Happy holidays!!!
     
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    @OP - Post your skype screenshots here..

    Did you sent the landing pages to him?
     
  3. NitroCan

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    All screenshots are attached. I've removed all the personal info and me & my brother's name is removed as well for privacy.

    I've notified Skripel for this shitlist as well. Haven't seen him online from few days now.
     
  4. NitroCan

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    We uploaded the landing pages on his server. We have removed it though.
     
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    You are absolutely right but we do learn from mistakes. We made one and in future, we won't do any work without an upfront payment. NEVER EVER.
     
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  6. skripel

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    Sorry for the delay in response but please correct me if im wrong. You were working with a third party with an agreement to deliver product to my customers. My servers were never touched and you did not send me anything at all personally. I have not received Landing Pages, Designs, Codes or anything you could possibly develop. I had a contract with a third party and so did you and once that party was unable to fulfill the contract obligations I lost money as well as you did and than you started threatening me to get me banned on BHW as i had to do anything with your designers in a first place.

    Iv lost more $$ than you did on this small projects and you harassing me in skype and trying to ban me on BHW does not do any better for me. If you do not agree you can easily share our full skype conversations where i say that i have told you that i have nothing to do with servers you may or may not upload your work to and i shall pay when the third party delivers me the finalized project.
     
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    I actually did get into how much would all those things cost i know that I pay third parties for completed work (Landing Page completely setup on domain with inner pages and onsite SEO, text is provided) and that would be around $400-520 per project. Any other things that happen with outsoruce or breaking down the work do not bother me as im interested in completed projects just as my customers pay for it!
     
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    skripel BANNED BANNED

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    So with those 2 i lost 2 clients (about 600-700 profit total) obviously i didnt pay the third party for the project out of my pocket, and im probably gonna see them in court of small claims for that. I am obviously not gonna pay out of my pocket to this guy who claims i scammed him and i wasted a lot of time for this nonsense. Dont get me wrong but i am trying to do business and plz stop this nonsense harassment as you will not get money out of my pocket just because someone wants me to do so....
     
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    skripel BANNED BANNED

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    Dont see where i requested the invoice actually, and when invoicing my details were not provided as it was dealt with 3rd party. Everything got post-pawned for more than a week and a half when i needed it to be done very fast (2-4 days) the third party would not give me updates on the status and mistakes were made all over the place. The project was not done in time, third party disappeared, this guys didnt get paid, i lost customers, this guys deleted whatever they did from third party servers. That is the story!!!
     
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    In my opinion, you posted the "Hire a Freelancer" ad and as the OP provided the service, you gotta pay him. It doesn't matter how much you lost or if you needed the finished work or not. It is who makes the hiring is responsible for payment.
     
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    Agree with this.
    You posted to hire a freelancer, OP responded, in my eyes, you made a contract.
    If you posted in lounge, and then have OP the third party contact details, that would have been different - you would be a referer, but you struck up the agreement so you are responsible.

    I hate this because now OP will never work again without taking money first - personally I don't like paying up front, and equally I never like to charge until the job is finished - but this requires trust from both parties.

    Maybe OP will work out a payment deal in light of the circumstances (like cost only?), but he needs to be paid IMHO.
     
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    First thing, you never said us that you gonna pay us when ever you get paid. We weren't working with the direct client and we have NOTHING to do if you get paid or not.

    I'm quoting your words now:
     
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    We wasted more time than you, we wasted our resources! YOU are responsive for paying us, as we NEVER made any contract that you gonna pay us once you get paid, it has nothing to do with us. We are here for business as well!!!
     
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    In image 5/8 you told Skripel you wanted 50/50 half up front (about 6:15pm) and Skripel agreed to it. 30 minutes later (6:45pm) you said you trust him and would invoice him 100% to be paid after the job was complete. I'm not sure why you changed the terms but you should have stuck to your guns and demanded the 50/50 as Skripel agreed to pay 50/50. For Skripel to now say he doesn't owe anything is just wrong.

    As others already said, the contract wasn't between the OP and Skripel's client. When you hire a worker you pay him! What your client does is between you and them and not between you and the person you hired. If you have flaky clients then you should get your money in hand before hiring people to perform work.
     
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    It was agreed that you have to pay advance and yes said it is FAIR ENOUGH. I've attached the screenshot as well! 5.PNG

    You never mentioned the timeframe. It was your partner's fault that he needed changes with every final design! We made all the changes on time!

    Infact, you said in the conversation that you gonna pay as soon as we will send the invoice!

    You are just making nonsense comments. All we need is our money.
     
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    Okey we have never discussed you delivering work/projects to me and you never did. I do not pay you as we talked about it in skype (i can pull out the conversation or you can too) where you wanted to work for me and i said NO!, i deal with local people only and i will not pay you for any work. Whatever i posted in other threads and how i made first contact does not obligate me to owe nothing as i did not work with the claimant. What made you think that i owe a random person that did not work for me some money i have no idea. Once again i will not give anything out of my pocket just because you want me to and thats the conclusion!
    I will not reply anymore on this thread. Thank you!
     
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    Bigbuddy, can you please take care of this. He is clearly saying that he won't pay us.
     
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    @skripel - you posted the thread in Hire a freelancer section and you are responsible for the payment. Even you agreed 50/50 payment option in chat. If you think, posting the thread does nt obligate you to owe anything to OP, be ready to lost your BHW Account.

    I would like to see this chat SS..
     
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    In another chat, he mentioned that Vlad (His partner) scammed him.

    On this thread, he mentioned that Iknowweb.ca is his site and Vlad's skype profile shows iknowweb.ca in website's section.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ro-content-writer-fill-up-my-new-website.html

    They have a username as well.
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/187712-iknowweb.html

    He opened a thread for PSD to Wordpress as well at Hire a Freelancer section. Beware!
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/510438-hiring-psd-wordpress-person.html
     
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    It does make sense when contacting a person for work the obligation is present for the work performed. But in this case it was discussed with claimant that he will not work for me "As He Wanted To" and he was explained in skype that he will not!!(do not know why that conversation is not attached by him )). The work was not completed and not turned over!!! NOW that i lost those 2 clients he blames me for not doing what i do on daily basis and wants a New Years eve present money from me? Once again saying that i do not think that i shall pay him and all the decisions by Admins will be respected! Thank you!