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Got My Unnatural Links Detection Letter from Google. Now what?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by greggggg, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. greggggg

    greggggg Regular Member

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    I logged into my webmasters tools for the first time in a few days, and I saw the dreaded unnatural link detection. I got it on 3/8 but my site is still sitting fine. Are my sites going to fall soon? *fingers crossed* Am I in the clear?

    What are the next steps? Take a penalty and wait it out?
     
  2. isabellamelendez

    isabellamelendez Regular Member

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    sell your site asap. :) JK btw try to remove bad links, most likely your site will drop in a month then submit a reconsideration.

    btw, what kind of links did you build to your site?
     
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    eg33k Regular Member

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    My experience that that there is a high likelihood that you wil drop (especially if you do not communicate with them), and that should try to identify any domains excessively linking to you, send link removal requests, and let Google know you are very concerned and are trying to identify where innappropriate links are, and that you are tryin to get em removed. Not communicating with them (IMHO) is worse than saying "I don't know how this could happen, but here's what I have found, and what I am doing about it.". Since they notified you, they are probably waiting a response.

    Just my own opinion...
     
  4. kegnum

    kegnum Senior Member

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    Next step is nothing. Maybe try and get some high quality links to that bad boy. Step 2 is to never use WMT or Analytics, try statcounter, its free .
     
  5. blackieman

    blackieman Power Member

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    I agree with not using Analytics, as you are giving google a window into everything that is going on with your traffic. But WMT is simply getting access to what they have.. they cannot collect additional data just because you have WMT, but allow you to see some of what they see. In case of unnatural links, if you don't have WMT, then I guess you simply see a bump down without warning, without knowing why, and chance for a fix.
     
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    greggggg Regular Member

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    I wasn't even using analytics or webmaster tools. I finally decided to put webmaster tools up about a week ago to see if I did receive a penalty or anything. Didnt check again until today and the letter was there.
     
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    Welcome to the parade of people with this message (myself included)...

    What to do? Not really sure, I wish I had an x, y, z plan for you that you could complete to get out of the penalty. I have been looking for these answers for over a month now and I haven't found much of an answer.

    Most likely your rankings will start to fall, but not 100% sure about this. My rankings fell first and then a week later I received the message into my wmt account.

    If you are going to submit a reconsideration request, I would wait and see if your rankings fall first, my 2 cents....
     
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  8. greggggg

    greggggg Regular Member

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    Not sure what approach to take. Be the honest hard working guy who doesnt know better, and tell google I'll do whatever it takes to fix this and cooperate. Or ignore and just see where it takes me.
     
  9. Nordajgt

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    This just happened to me OP - Delete your webmaster tools and analytics. And keep building links.
     
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    You can NOT have google tools if your site is using black hat link building.
     
  11. blackieman

    blackieman Power Member

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    One strategy (I think recommended by expertpeon) is to go with 'clean' web2.0 links to the money sites, and then use high pr blog postings to the tier 1's.
     
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  12. manny521

    manny521 Supreme Member

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    I don't agree with the argument against webmaster tools. Google has all the information that is provided to you whether you have gwt installed or not. GWT is so YOU can see what information google has about your site and they are sharing this with YOU. Its not the other way around.

    Google analytics, I can understand some of the arguments against it, but still not buying it. Do you think google doesn't know the bounce rate on your site from their searches. When you do a search in google, they drop a cookie on your computer which tracks how long you are on these sites.
     
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  13. Nordajgt

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    Google doesn't give a RATS ASS about Black hat, they welcome it because it forces all the white hats to use their PPC service. But they can't be incriminated and by using their tools you're incriminating them. Unless you're just a dumbass not protecting yourself, this is a SURE FIRE way to stay off their radar. My rankings have only improved since i deleted my analytics and webmaster tools after receiving my first warning from them.

     
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    I am beginning to think that buffer sites are the way to go in the future. It seems like no matter what the blog network, there is going to be chaos in the the next few months and possibly forever. I remember when people swore by blog comments and forum blasts alone.

    In fact it may be better to get a few hundred powerful authority links from blogs in the same niche, that you create of course, that 10K unrelated spun crap.
     
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    Google can only see where people go when they leave the SE, the can not see what happens on your site unless you use there tools, or adsense of course.
     
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    it is complete and utter bollox to suggest that google does not know what you are doing if you dont use Analytics or GWT.

    if your ranking have improved since removing these then it is pure coincidence.

    So all you need to do is not have a GWT account and you are completely off the radar to Google and can do whatever you want and they dont know about it.....
     
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    You have a really good way of grasping the point someone is trying to make.

     
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    Having gwt or analytics is pretty much like leaving your front door open so your fat ass neighbor can walk in and bang your old lady whenever he feels like it.
     
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    If I grew ganja in my backyard, I wouldn't invite the local cops for a BBQ, but that just me.

    If Google wants to hurt your sites and cut your traffic / earnings in half, why make it easier for them?
     
  20. SuperLinks

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    Things have changed, and people aren't recognizing that.

    When was the last time you saw so many threads about artificial linkbuilding
    in WMT? Never...

    Obviously Google rolled out some type of backlink analysis bot/checker that
    analyzes backlink patterns in comparison to some variable, maybe competition,
    maybe overall, maybe compared to your own self.

    As mentioned in Google's own announcement about the latest update, they are
    now analyzing backlinks. What likely used to be a manual procedure of
    some sort has now been automated. Clearly Google's confident that they are
    able to determine artificial linkbuilding in some form and factor.

    What people need to do is change their methods. This is one of those times in
    SEO when you must adapt, or fall by the wayside. If you want to succeed AND
    maintain your rankings you must begin building links in a natural way. Here's
    what I recommend doing.

    1. Find competitors that DON'T build artificial links
    2. Analyze their backlinks through popular link checkers
    3. Identify the pattern of the type of links used
    4. Identify the pattern of the type of anchor texts used - THIS IS A MUST
    5. Implement similar pattern of type of links and anchor text diversity

    Listen, long gone are the days of brute forcing your way to the top. My
    guess is that the future of SEO is making the linkbuilding efforts as
    natural as possible. A ton of High PageRank links + keyword anchor text
    aren't gonna cut it anymore. You must have diversity in every facet of your
    campaign. Especially with anchor text!
     
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