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Google Update or Algo Adjustment Going On NOW (not sape related)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Oct 16, 2015.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I wanted to post in to straighten you guys out on something that was reported here, and then repeated on several SEO news websites. It has been said that this shake up that is on-going is related to Sape link penalties. While I can't say that Sape links aren't also being targeted in an unrelated play, I can rather confidently tell you that it is NOT a simply targeting of Sape links that is causing the shake up that has been talked about here recently. Based on date from my websites and those I work with I have come to the conclusion that this is either an update, or an algorithmic change by Google.

    Why do I think this? Because none of the sites I'm taking data from used Sape, and the reaction from these sites screams update. Let me explain... this is what I'm seeing happening a lot.

    1) A uniform drop in rank (which is why chicken littles who only track performance based on rank are crying foul)

    2) An increase in mobile and tablet activity from Google

    3) An overall gain in total impressions from Google

    4) An sharp gain in total # of keywords ranked for in Google

    5) A slight gain in traffic coming from Google

    So what does this tell me? It says that while Google is dropping desktop rank in many terms they are ADDING impressions for mobile and tablet; then they seem to have ranked these sites for MORE keywords overall albeit at worse positions. None of this is in line with a penalty. It honestly reminds me far more of the Mobilegeddon update from a few months ago. But it could just as easily be an algo re-fresh or the beginning of a new Penguin. One thing is for sure though, this is deeper than a Sape-hunt.
     
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  3. ThopHayt

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    It could be, the shuffling in mobile and traffic quality are a bit odd. I think Google is really WANTING to find a way to better serve mobile users better content and have been tearing the building up left and right trying to gain some sort of edge in this area. I almost want to say this seems more like an algo change similar to the weird one we saw a couple months back or so.
     
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    My site get a little boost in ranking today, not sure for how long it will stick.
     
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    Thophayt, that's exactly what I'm seeing for some of our sites, too. Rankings for the top terms dropped a few positions, but significant long tail gains and a bit more mobile traffic, overall traffic pretty much the same. None of the sites uses SAPE, pretty much PBN driven.

    Not sure what this is, but it seems to be huge. For some of the high volume terms we are monitoring, about half of the page one results dramatically changed, e.g. #8 suddenly sitting at #1, #1 suddenly sitting at #5. That's something you rarely see for keywords in the five digit to six digit monthly exact searches range.
     
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    Hey everyone, long time reader and first time poster. I monitor this place a long with a few other sources and forums to get a beat on whats happening and help confirm/deny my hunches. I am cautiously leaning towards what the OP said. My main site seems to have dipped and Google reported back in July something was rolling out later this year. Oddly I saw my rankings jump Monday Oct. 12 to an all time high and then today the site seems to be under performing.

    Odd because this site only has 40 domains linking to it, totaling about 400 back links and most of that comes from a 301. Anyways, I'm not doing anything about it for at least week. My hunch is its content related, but I can't back that up with anything other than what I know about my site and what my gut tells me. Could be nothing, but its got enough people talking, right?

    Edit: Just to clarify the keywords I'm tracking, both head and long tail seem to be intact, but who knows if its rolled out across all servers yet. Despite this my traffic today is down 20% from what I should be...
     
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  7. ThopHayt

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    Think of this too, Q4 is coming upon us. A hard shuffle of rankings seems to force little guys to invest more in PPC. So this may be the usual seasonal shuffle to scare the sheep.
     
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    Everything im tracking didnt move one bit and a LARGE majority of the people who got penalized used SAPE.

    I think its clear that google hit SAPE.

    Now for everything else maybe google also did a refresh or rolled out real time penguin?
     
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    Agree. Anyone using highly visible link network these days like SAPE must crazy or really naive hoping that google will not discover it. Well, they proved them wrong once again. Stay low, stay out of the radar is the name of the game.
     
  10. ThopHayt

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    None of the results I'm tracking have anything to do with sape. At most that is a red herring. This is almost surely an update.
     
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    No one disputes that this is an update, no one disputes it is related to links. So far so good we're on the same page. Now, since you track so many of them, whatever that means, and you're so sure that this is not related to sape, please enlighten us what this update is related to. Will you. Anyone can come here and claim 'hey guys I'm tracking so many results and this is not sape related update'..., what they have fail to do is to provide ..... the prove and you're not different. Just inventing imaginary theories hoping that people will buy it without being able to prove it. And bty, I haven't been affected by this so called update, probably because I haven't used sape. It's is just too obvious and one really have to be stupid to use it.
     
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  12. asap1

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    This is just Google doing their yearly cleaning, give it a few weeks and everything will be back to normal.

    I use SAPE and everytime I place a link I know the risk, this is just part of the game.
     
  13. SnoopyDrew

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    Since this update or whatever it is I have not touched my site because I just want to wait it out. At first I was dropping keywords left and right but now everything seems to be back to normal and even a few keywords have gone up.
     
  14. LeanLow

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    I don't think that google hit SAPE. Just people who don't know what anchor diversity is got hit, majority of those people use paid links and don't know how to use them, they think it's fault of someone else and not their 20% money anchor term.
     
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    One thing is for sure, you got that "I don't think...' part right, as or the rest of your post ... you're just one of those so called .. 'experts' claiming something without being able to prove it, wishful thinking, theory without substance.. just like me saying that google is targeting links from Venus :) prove me wrong...
     
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    Doing that would probably be one of the biggest mistakes of his life!
     
  17. ambushiv11

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    Even though I got 2 websites using SAPE that got slapped, I still have lots others (10+) that are still the same ranks, even raising steadily in the top 10 ladder.

    I think it's as LeanLow stated, just people that abused the money keyword got slapped.
     
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    I have lots of SAPE project, a view of them have fallen from the first page, but others have increased in rankings, also three of my 5 year + old WH authority sites that you scaryhats here love so much are hit from first page into oblivion, so i am going to say that this is just a yearly reshuffle to force people to go to adwords, look at the timing, it is just before the holidays (Halloween coming up), but please keep fighting among each other that Google really has a way to filter out a network like SAPE, i am off enjoying my last holiday weekend
     
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    Noticed 2-3 website now that got loss in rankings using SAPE. Damn, need to remove those links. Even sites that has hundreds of backlinks and only 5-8 SAPE links got hit. Shieeet.
     
  20. LeanLow

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    Yeah, what do I know, i've only ranked tens of websites for thousands of 1st page terms, tracking dozen of websites for hundreds of terms. I do have a few theories that are based on testing things for the last couple of weeks, it has some potential because a lot of the keywords that were lost got back to #1 positions where they belong. I'll keep "those theories" to myself, as there's no value in revealing that to the general public.