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Google places rankings and 'normal' rankings

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by appliedscience, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. appliedscience

    appliedscience Regular Member

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    I'm wondering if someone can explain this to me. I have a business website that is now ranking #2 in Google search, but it is a Google places result. After the Google places results the website isn't ranking at all. Is it possible to still rank as a Google places result as well as 'normal' search results or is it now one or the other?

    Anyway that I can achieve a double listing in regards to having a top Google places result as well as a 'normal' listing underneath this for the index page of the domain?
     
  2. schwagoo

    schwagoo Jr. Executive VIP

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    In most of my places listings, if my places page has the organic site attached to it, the organic site won't be on the first page. When I found this out, I started using another domain in my places listing.

    But on my money-making listings, I have #1 places page, #1 adwords ad, a YouTube vide , and a landing page all on page 1 :)

    In my experience, use a different (optimized) domain in your places listings so you can achieve multiple properties on page 1.
     
  3. SEOWhizz

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    By 'ranking', you may mean ranking for a specific keyword. When you type the keyword into g00gle.TLD (TLD of location where you wish to rank), you may get one of the following on page 1 of g00gle:
    1. Organic search results, or;
    2. A g00gle places listing, e.g. a 7 box, or;
    3. A combination of 1 and 2.

    Depending on the above, optimize accordingly.
     
  4. appliedscience

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    Thanks for the tip. Is it possible to change the domain easily on a verified Google Places listing without hassle?

    Also, do you find the Places listing drops because I know a lot of Places SEO is matching company/business info, and if the domain is different it might cause a drop..

    Lastly, any issues with duplicate content for both of these domains? Would you make the places domain no-follow to prevent a duplicated site? In my situation I would need to use the same business webpage, not a unique one.


    I'm refering to location specific keywords, and #3 is appearing. Care to elaborate on "Depending on the above, optimize accordingly", do you have the same suggestion as schwagoo?
     
  5. SEOWhizz

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    (Not directed at me, but) Yes.

    If you have an existing Google Places site and have built citations (business name and address), then the new site will need to have this same info.

    If you do change the Google Places URL, then what can be a hassle is changing the URL in any existing citations; which is why personally, I would to stick to the existing website, unless absolutely necessary.

    I think you mean no-index the web page(s). If you were to have 2 sites (1 for organic and 1 for Google Places), each would need to be indexed and have unique content.

    Use a combination of basic SEO (on/off page) and Google Places optimization.
     
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  6. appliedscience

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    Thanks for the reply SEOWhizz. Citations was what I was reffering too in my previous post, thanks for clarifying.

    This seems to be quite a work-around for a local business website when all advertising done (radio, tv etc) is around people remembering the domain name of the business. Would following the below list be true to gain top google places rankings and organic SEO, any deeper thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

    1. Create one-page landing page on a new domain (business-something.com). Navigation and footer links directing to main domain (business-.com)

    2. Update Google Places Listing to display this domain

    3. Create some high PR directory backlinks for new domain, where possible including business location and contact info for citations (business-something.com). Ping the places listing (already optimised)

    4. SEO main domain (business-.com) for organic search as normal.


    Alternatively, is it possible to rank high in Google Places (i.e #1) and optimise an internal page (i.e. business-.com/keyword.html) and have that page rank high in organic search? I ask as my site has basically no rankings outside of #1 Google Places, but if optimising an internal page and having these two listings would probably be preferred at the moment over getting a new domain + landing page.
     
  7. appliedscience

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    I can't find any good info on this doing a google search. Any follow-up help to my questions is appreciated :)
     
  8. hispdcha

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    I would leave the Google Places site alone. I would create the new website and rank that one for organic, it would be a lot easier than switching everything around.
     
  9. the_demon

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    I agree with @hispdcha 100%. Simply create a new site, use unique content to avoid penalty and rank that site in the organic results. Leave the other domain alone. There's no sense in ruining a good thing.
     
  10. markhenry121

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    Yes, it is possible to same rank in Google places as well as in 'normal' search results. You should optimize your website for normal search result. Getting rank in normal search result in much difficult as this ranking position is decided on the basis of several factors while in google place target specific areas.
     
  11. appliedscience

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    Thanks for the feedback. Has anyone been able to, or know, if you can have a top Google Places listing AND rank in organic search engines (for the same keyword) with an optimised internal page?

    Rather than creating two websites (having 2 domains).

    As I've mentioned previously, the site doesn't have any (top 100 [don't look further]) organic listings, but a #1 Google Places. Does Google Places kill organic results for the site?

    If it can be done I will create internal landing pages on the site. A couple people now have said 'just optimise the site for both', but that doesn't really help... the site is ranking top for every keyword the site is targeting and has solid on-site SEO and regular back linking, plus it's updated regularly. To say 'just optimise for both' doesn't clarify the action steps.

    Hope someone can shed some light. I don't want to start optimising some internal pages if they just aren't going to be appreciated by Google for a high up (aim #1 organic listing) along with Google Places #1.

    Thanks
     
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  12. hispdcha

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    You keep asking the same question in a different way. Here's what I would do (10 years experience in SEO.)

    If you're Google places listing is a 7 pack, then you can also get a #1 organic if there are organic listings on the SERP page.

    If you're Google places listing is also an Organic listing (Meaning no 7 pack the places are integrated into the organics) then no, your places listing will be stuck with the organic listing, meaning only one listing on the page (unless you get an interior page to rank as well).

    If it's the first, you can have both the #1 organic as well as the #1 places listing.

    If it's the second, the organic is also the places listing; meaning A slot is also the #1 spot on the page, so you would have both if you are the #1 ranking. Problem solved.

    However, since you seem to think you need to do both, I would leave the one already ranking alone that is at the top of the places and start a new website to get the organic ranking. Done. It's really not that complicated.
     
  13. appliedscience

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    Thanks for your feedback, it's made things a lot clearer. I really just wanted to make sure I go about this the right way. As the business is largely based around the domain name being memorable a second domain is less optimal than working on ranking internal pages on the domain, with your feedback though it's probably the only way to get a double listing - and there are ways around it.

    Thanks again!
     
  14. Kriss7

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    I am using another trick, because of the places I google on the first page in the results of the main Domain organic SERPS positions the sub page and then on a google page I have two entries. And even as the video then adds seventh heaven