1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Google Penguin

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by morisato, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. morisato

    morisato Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2008
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    6
    Home Page:
    Hi everyone,

    I'm starting to get desperate.

    I'm now considering the option on going on Adwords. I've heard from my friend (music blog editor and Adsense user) that they suddenly unban his Adsense (ban was without reason)
    after he paid ?50 to Adwords to advertise.

    Maybe it's the same thing here. Maybe I have to pay some sum to adwords to reappear in search again? I wouldn't be suprised believe me. They could think: We made you, now is time to pay us back a little...
    Google really helped me advance my business on higher levels I can't deny that but ...

    Is there a service that really helped you get out of this Google Penguin shit? I don't know what to do anymore.

    Any thoughts ?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. futurestunner

    futurestunner BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,532
    Likes Received:
    1,036
    :chef2:
    Lets party First
     
  3. queenmery

    queenmery Power Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2011
    Messages:
    501
    Likes Received:
    30
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    BANGLADESH
    I also think as yours. You can have a try to do something like that.
     
  4. proweb

    proweb Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    144
    AdWords and AdSense are completely different from each other. That's like saying you bought a Lamborghini so VW extended your warranty on your Passat.

    Second off, if you think SEO is hard, then AdWords will not be for you. I'm not saying this to be mean or to burst your bubble, but I'm very experienced in AdWords and am migrating everything to SEO.

    Why am I slowly stopping adwords?

    Google suspends your advertising without telling you why. When you ask, they tell you to review their policies. If you attempt to re-advertise the website, Google will ban you from AdWords for life. Thankfully I have connections with Google employees and know their policies backwards and forwards and found they suspend my personal ads for following things:

    - My site design/graphics resembled another site (even though the other site was in a different niche).
    - They didn't believe my product could do as advertised. So if you have a book on how to build a deck in 3 days, they will suspend your account because they feel that everyone who buys your product may not be able to actually build a deck in 3 days.

    But the main reason I'm moving to SEO is because of profits. AdWords is getting more expensive because everyone who is inexperienced pays a fortune to get their ads displayed. This, in-turn, causes other advertiser's ads to be pushed to the 2nd search results page requiring the advertiser to either increase their CPC or their Quality Score. Unfortunately, it appears that only 1% of advertisers actually know how to increase their quality score, so whenever someone gets pushed to page 2, they increase their bids...which increases the loop all over again.

    So the final straw for me was when Google told me that my sites were "too pushy" to be allowed on AdWords and that I would need to re-design my sites to increase user experience and I should give them access to information without forcing them to buy.

    Just thought I would give you a heads up if you decide to go that route.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  5. ibmethatswhoib

    ibmethatswhoib Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,560
    Likes Received:
    1,156
    Occupation:
    Staying Informed
    Location:
    Bay Area, Ca
    Home Page:
    Good luck with SEO if you think Google is bad with adwords, G is becoming shit all around and I'm starting to look at everything but G as options.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  6. morisato

    morisato Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2008
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    6
    Home Page:
    Thanks for the reply. The problem is not would I like to use Adwords or not. What I'm trying to say is that I'm beginning to feel that Google wants me to give them some money through Adwords so I can reappear in organic search again. (Sound strange but I don't know what to think anymore)
    They know I do SEO, they can see I put a lot of money in website and its promotion (FB, Twitter, G+...). Last PR update my website raised to PR4. But still not in Top 100 (!?). But I have never advertised with Adwords and they can know
    that too.

    I recently bought a service (and it cost me a lot of money) which claim they can get me out, but as it seems I'm just going lower and lower from the moment I hired them. I will ask for a refund but it's a whole other story.

    Anyone had similar experience ? Any thoughts on this theme from experienced forum members? Is it possible that everyone talk about Penguin and nobody really knows how to get out of it. I see a lot of services claiming that can resurrect website from dead but haven't seen real evidence yet.
     
  7. morisato

    morisato Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2008
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    6
    Home Page:
    @ ibmethatswhoib

    Thanks for the reply. I can think of Google this and that but they will be the search engine leader for a long time I think.
     
  8. DarkMeta

    DarkMeta BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2012
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    80
    There is no relation between the,....adwords and SEO is all different i dont think there will be any change.........
     
  9. morisato

    morisato Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2008
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    6
    Home Page:
    @DarkMeta

    Thanks for the reply. Of course Google would never admit that organic and paid are in relation(who would?) but the correlation can be made indirectly for sure. You can see the claim that there was a 42% Increase In Paid Clicks and that was in July 20th and I haven't seen anyone recovered from the April 24th update. What do you think have happened until today? Many people abandoned SEO and started Adwords (as I'm thinking).
     
  10. camuk

    camuk Junior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    137
    Likes Received:
    27
    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    BHW!!
    Home Page:
    if it works let me know! Maybe if I spend $100,000 on adwords I'll get #1! ;)
     
  11. therage

    therage Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2012
    Messages:
    968
    Likes Received:
    448
    Occupation:
    Strategist / Psychologist
    Location:
    Stupidity Makes Me Puke!
    Are you a troll or something? Really, Adwords and PPC when used correctly work wonders for sales. SEO is a waste of time, but you are right about 1 thing. Idiots on Adwords are spending more money with SHIT AD COPY!

    I don't feel like reposting the mega long psychology about how your ad copy must suck, you must not know your target audiences psychological profiles, etc. All I know is that Adwords does work, and when optimized correctly with advanced psychological triggers and correct packaging and presentation to your ideal prospects you get massive amounts of sales.

    Sorry I don't feel that good at the moment to go into a big improvement thread about Adwords, although you can probably read some of my recent posts where I explained how to properly setup ad copy and adwords like double sex tokens ready to get stuffed ...
     
  12. Typlo

    Typlo Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2010
    Messages:
    1,285
    Likes Received:
    499
    Location:
    New York
    Home Page:
    Looks like I dodged that bullet then! One of my sites is ranking better than ever. I'm actually going to go so far as to say I think the changes Google are making are helping me a lot. My bounce rate has dropped to 0% for organic traffic in the last week.
    Something else I noticed recently is that Google seems to be almost completely ignoring the anchor text on my backlinks and is just using the content on my site to determine what keywords I rank for. Anyone else noticed this?

    Can't believe I'm actually saying nice things about Google. I'll go and stand in the naughty corner for half an hour now.
     
  13. gcleats

    gcleats Junior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    5
    Google is becoming a name of pain :smashfrea
     
  14. proweb

    proweb Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    144
    Hmm...

    Actually, I'm not a troll. I've been doing AdWords since 2002 and have passed the AdWords Qualified Individual Advertising Professional's exam 4 times in a row with scores never below the 90th percentile.

    Secondly, you're calling me out for having a bad ad copy. If you had taken the time to read my post you would have noticed that I never said anything about my ad copy, or me not being able to succeed with adwords, or anything about leaving adwords because of trouble. I simply feel that SEO has a much better profit margin considering you do not pay for your traffic and Google doesn't control the content which is on your landing pages.

    However, seeing as you had trouble reading this, I'm going to post a graph for you.

    This is a screenshot from one of my AdGroups. Now I have about 200 adgroups per campaign, 8 campaigns per account, and I personally own 50 adwords accounts.
     

    Attached Files:

  15. axedbydax

    axedbydax Power Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    727
    Likes Received:
    170
    Home Page:
    When you say you're dropping lower and lower and you want to get back to top 100, did you check your on-page? Did you review your link profile? Are you reviewing your new links? Where they come from, what linking strategy is used..etc...? How long did you wait after you bought the service?

    If you didn't do some the things listed, I think you might consider looking at them. I hope this helps and I'm hoping for your success. :)
     
  16. morisato

    morisato Registered Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2008
    Messages:
    54
    Likes Received:
    6
    Home Page:
    I still don't want to talk about service used, it wouldn't be fair. Let's wait and see. I can tell you that they provide full SEO service and I don't know what tactics they use but are well known forum members. 22 days had past from the moment I hired them. Still not in top 100 for any keyword.