I have recently put up a site that I have been trying techniques on to see how quick I can get into the top 10 of google, and hold a spot. I was able to accomplish this already with a few keywords, and have been holding for about a week. My question is how come I do not show up in any of the other search sites at all. How long does it usually take for MSN, YAHOO, ETC to catch up with google? Are most of these blackhat techniques usually aligned to what google likes to see?