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Google Backlinks Penalty

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by seo101, Sep 20, 2008.

  1. seo101

    seo101 Registered Member

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    Could google ban your site because you have spam backlinks ? If this is true, people can easily make google ban their competitor by pointing the spam backlink to the competitor.

    I thought they will only discounted the backlink to avoid people manipulating others serp.

    My site just got ban from google index. I dont know if this is because the backlinks or other factors ?

    Thanks,
     
  2. battman323

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    are you sure it's banned? How did you check? It may only be sandboxed.
     
  3. dippeli

    dippeli Newbie

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    just like batman asked, you sure your banned and not sandboxed?

    and second: dont create spam banklinks to your moneysite.
     
  4. linksgalore2

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    I think I've got the same problem at the moment. I've agreed to disagree with Battman but I'm pretty certain it happens and is discussed on various google forums.

    link building software like tra*ckb*ck sp*der etc mention this (point a load of bad neighbourhood links to your competitor and watch them drop) as a technique to win in the serps war.


    That's my bit, don't bite my ass battman:)
     
  5. tonlilaz

    tonlilaz Executive VIP Premium Member

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    google won't 'ban' you they might de index you....
     
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    hehe. Will that not be the same result?

    The competitor will be gone. ;)
     
  7. tonlilaz

    tonlilaz Executive VIP Premium Member

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    no, because they can relist you the next day...

    a banned site is fubr
     
  8. bruce6667

    bruce6667 Junior Member Premium Member

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    Believe me its really hard to get sites automatically banned. The best you can hope for is to trigger a manual review or spam report.

    I was fucking with the thirty day challenge this year -> if anybody checked that out.

    I dropped thousands of blog comments on their site, some trackbacks ( err... got sick of that, high failure rate ) and some adult social bookmarks, referer spam, etc.

    But I also dropped a few hundred on a competitor for their main keyword.

    Guess what? They stayed on page two, and their competitor shot to number one (from around tennish).

    But just yesterday I noticed that their competitor completely vanished from google. (sorry if it was anybody around here's site).

    So I think the risk with massive, shitty backlinks is that you will trigger a manual review by ranking high, pissing some one off, and getting reported.
     
  9. goawayplease

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    Pointing a bunch of links at your competitor good or bad, is probably going to trigger some filter and cause them to dip temporarily. Based on the quality of the links, and whether or not the filter triggers a human review, they'll probably be back soon enough.

    That being said, it's possible to trigger penalties for link bombing by using the same anchor text, and it's also possible to poison Trust for a site by getting them tons of spammy links over a period of time.

    The absolute worst thing you could do to them would be to find a way to insert links TO bad neighborhoods from their site.

    But ultimately none of this is entirely viable as a primary strategy, since in the time it took you to gather the right amount of links, probe for weaknesses, and spam the SERPS, you could probably have built dozens of BH sites to out rank them, or have a single white hat site on it's way to out ranking them in a few months.

    That having been said, what most people believe is a Google "Penalty" is actually a filter. Tagging pages supplemental is a filter, Link Sandboxing is a filter, you can even be filtered for adding content way too fast. For example, Matt Cutts always recommends a "soft launch" for large sites.

    Google does have things like a "Minus 30" penalty, where your site will be slapped back a fixed number of results. This is generally "Do A, Experience B" type stuff. If you got penalized, chances are it was something done on-site, and you know what you did.

    Filters on the other hand are much trickier since they can be triggered by off-page stuff and the only way to even guess at one being enabled is by watching what's not happening with your site, as opposed to what did happen.
     
  10. battman323

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    It's cool. We just have different experiences and as an experienced link spammer I've never lost a site due to this kind of thing. That's also the reason I take so much interest in the subject.

    Here are some of the things I do that help keep my sites safe:

    - Very diverse sources of links. If you only have one or two types of links to your site, that leave tracks. Use blog content, blog comments, blogrolls, link directories, articles, hub-type pages, guestbooks, and social bookmarks. With wide diversification you can stay safe. And build links to your thirdparty links, like for example you digg your site. Build links to the Digg page that links to your site.

    - Don't link to the same pages. Spread it around and link to lots of different pages on different domains, IPs, and link to stuff that isn't yours too. Stay buried.

    - Diversify your anchor text with garbage like "click me" or "visit here" or even random stuff. If all your links carry the same keyword patterns in the backlinks that triggers spam. You really only want your main keywords in 50-60% of the links to your site. If over 90% of the links to your site carry your main keywords, it looks pretty DAMN suspicious.

    - Always be getting more links. Never be satisfied. When you stop, it looks like people suddenly don't like your site anymore? Just because you made it to #1 on Google? That's not going to help your longevity.

    These have been my most important guidelines and I've yet to lose a site for OVER backlinking. Some have suffered temporary penalties but I was always able to get them back as I discovered they were never penalized for linking issues.
     
  11. seo101

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    Here's how I check :

    1. google site: operator => not listed
    2. google info: operator => not listed
    3. google link: operator => did show backlinks
    4. google webmaster tool => google still crawls my site
    5. logs => stop getting traffic from google

    Thanks guys for the response...
     
  12. Tiger

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    If you are not listed with info: or site: operators then your banned :(

    Have you a message from Google on WMT ?
     
  13. seo101

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    No actually. I was hoping to get some kind of message so I can be certain. What is the typical message say ?
     
  14. scriptkiddy

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    You'll never get a message from G to say youre banned.

    The easiest way to check, just ping the site to G, then watch your logs, if Googlebot visits (usually within a few minutes) then the site isn't banned.
     
  15. goawayplease

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    Haha honestly, I wouldn't consider what you're doing "link spam" in the traditional sense. It's Black Hat link building at it's finest though, that's for sure.

    People should save this thread or something, because it's solid advice.

     
  16. smokes4life

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    I thought generally Google did not penalise for backlinks. I mean technically, links to your site were out of your control, therefore Google did not take it into consideration. However, links out of your site was within your control, so linking to unrelated sites would affect how google viewd your site.
     
  17. shrkscn

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    I had my site on the first or second page for many health related keywords, but after I got some backlinks from it.blinklist.com the site vanished from the results. with the it.blinklist.com google gave the warning that the site may be harmful and I believe since it linked to my site, my site disappeared from the results. May be I am wrong...
     
  18. fakshon

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    It's been my experience that if you are linked either to or from a site that has been penalized that it does affect your site. However, I have not seen it cause a total ban of the site itself.

    And yes I have gotten a warning about blinklist.com several times it's even marked by McAfee SiteAdvisor as being naughty.

    If your site is banned, I suggest:

    If your site is on the up and up you can contact Google directly to find out the issue. But if your site isn't on the up and up, I suggest to clean it up fix it tweak it to basic white hat seo optimization and then call google and beg for forgiveness.

    Other than that time to buy a new domain and rebuild.

    Thanks,

    Fakshon...
     
  19. linksgalore2

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    your site may not be banned - just penalised. One of my sites can back bang on 30 days after it went missing. This sort of 30 day penalty seems a regular occurance if you've been linked to from some bad neighbourhoods.
     
  20. seomanifest

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    The trick is to go gradual, spikes of links should coincide with press releases as that would be a natural result for such spikes

    that's my 2 cents worth