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Giving up on yahoo answers. It's another rant. You've been warned.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by SH44tre, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. SH44tre

    SH44tre Newbie

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    <background>

    So I've been getting into yahoo answers a bit, testing out different promotional stuff, mixing it in with legitimate, informative answers. I know enough to help people with a few things: psychological problems (3 years in uni is enough to do basic help), websites (built a few), and network manipulation (managing one as we speak, as well as reading more than a few unsavoury articles to educate myself about potential risks. Not much, but a bit more than most internet surfers)

    So when a few questions come up from university students about obscuring what they're downloading from torrent sites (using the school network) I feel comfortable throwing some information at them (change MAC, use a coffee shop / other relatively safe, open wifi that gets a fair amount of traffic.)

    </background>

    caution: harsh content. Children, hide your corruptible giblets.

    <rant>

    Everyone else says it's impossible. They clearly have no idea what they're talking about. One lady even suggested that using torrents would slow down traffic for everyone else on the university network (clog the tubes, so to speak), as if the uni network was run by 2 hicks with a router made of straw and potatoes.

    Another says that you can't use proxies because they're all (even private ones) "stuffed full of viruses and keyloggers" (direct fucking quote), and it's impossible to hide yourself anyway, since your IP is "tied to your computer" (has no idea what a MAC is) and if you so much as visit a torrent site, they'll know your room number and name, and immediately report you to the police. Like the network admins are in a control room, and a big red flashing light and a foghorn goes off when someone downloads porn. Seriously.

    I laugh hysterically. A little unhinged, actually. These people must be joking or something.

    So I post my helpful info. I even throw in a couple tips on proxy use, and musing on the possibility of tighter encryption to be absolutely sure those network admins are getting no info on what you're getting and from who.

    Check back today.

    Other guy: best choice. asker renounces ever even thinking of doing anything even approaching illegal in the states.

    Me: 11 downvotes

    lolwut?

    I'm a little shaken, so I email the other guy, asking him if, perhaps, he knows better than me how university networks operate. I mean, I've never run one, so the admins could be badasses working with the FBI or something to apprehend chronic masterbaters for downloading copywrite porn. Who knows.

    He emails me back promptly. I'm impressed at hearing back so soon, until I read the word-vomit that echoed forth from his spew-hole.

    He quotes the daily. fucking. mail. as his source of information.

    He thinks facebook and google 'steal all your information' as it passes through the internet, because he read an article about both of them being in trouble for privacy violation.

    The Daily Mail.

    Seriously.

    That is where you get your technical information on the operation of networks from.

    I am completely unhinged. Crying and laughing at the same time. This man is the kind of person that forwards spam chainmail, and clicks on popups because he just won the uk lottery that he never entered.

    Speaking with authority about a subject, giving someone advice that may affect whether or not they end up getting their pants sued off, and he has no. fucking. clue.

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    Yes I'm afraid that [having all of your information logged] is a fact of life and the internet. If you don't believe me then just go to the Daily Mail on line and on the site search just look up what Google and FB are up to with your personal information and how they are abusing it.

    Read the times both of them have been hauled into court both in the US and the EU over Privacy issues. Look at the ho ha over Street View with Google harvesting usernames and passwords off of peoples wireless connections.

    Everything you write on the internet [private or not] will eventually turn up in some search engine.

    Just stick your name in a Google search and see what turns up. Anything about anybody can be dug up with little difficulty if you know where to search! Most Data Bases containing your personal details are open to the public view now.

    Anyone who believes their personal information is safe on the internet is as gullible as they come. They are the kind of people who would believe the earth was flat or black was white or the earth stood still and the sun revolved around us if you told them!

    As a passing point, look at all the online storage people use for their personal details. As I say to them, can you be absolutely 100% certain and without a single doubt in your mind, that it is not being read by someone else?

    I rest my case!

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    <denouement>

    I'm just so fucking done with people right now. At one time I had qualms about spamming the shit out of people. I was pure whitehat and proud of it. But to be honest, a good portion of them probably wouldn't even notice shit content if it slapped them across the face with its cock.
    If they can't figure out what's legitimate and what's automated bs, fuck 'em.

    </denouement>

    If you made it this far, good job. Go eat a cookie.

    P.S. we should probably make a rants area or something for people when they're raging.
     
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  2. JimmyWong

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    More proof (not that we need any) that this Earth is full of cretins.

    It's the way of the world mate, there's just more stupid people than sane. Sadly now that the internet is more easily accessible than ever before (and no longer stigmatised as geeky) it has given them an outlet.
     
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  3. pixelgrinder

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    You're that upset some one gave a shitty response on Yahoo answers?
     
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  4. SH44tre

    SH44tre Newbie

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    lol I know it's stupid.. I'm more angry that this is a poster that's well respected and claims he's experienced as a network administrator in his bio... when he's just derpin his way through technobabble.
     
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  5. rockong

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    lol i was under the impression that you were going to give up on yahoo answers marketing or something and then found this instead. well at least u didn't give up on that! haha
     
  6. Pekton

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    lol made my day
     
  7. SH44tre

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    lol ty, I'm pretty proud of that line.

    Pretty much just hope people get a good laugh out of this.
     
  8. Zapdos

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    Torrents do "clog" the network.

    Assuming very light use of 300 people running torrents, each having 5 torrets and each torrent having a combined total of 1000 users (very small with DHT) that is 1.5 million seperate open connections. Add in the cost of processing the packets, the actual packet itself and overhead... That will destroy most community college switches.


    Correct about the rest though :p
     
  9. Krazy Kitty

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    I love rants. LOL And that was especially good.

    I often take years out at a time and do nothing at all that will put me into contact with "surfers" for these very reasons. I know that sounds bizarre, extreme, but I've been doing this for two decades and I find communicating with non-webmasters in a business setting (where I'm either running a site or trying to sell something) so very stressful. They don't understand the basics, they think all internet marketing is evil (how dare we make a buck online, right?), and - and this is the biggest contingent - they're mostly insane. I sound so terribly cruel and jaded. I'm not really. It's just en masse I seen to run across so many nutters. When you work in adult, too, you become familiar with niches that have the highest quotient of nutbars; for me, I tend to find those into BDSM (which I happen to like, so I'm not unnecessarily picking on them) to be the worst.

    Anywho . . . fantastic rant!
     
  10. Lampshade

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    Krazy Kitty you lost me half way through there but I recovered and appreciate your mini rant. I think it may have been your preference of BDSM which pushed the boat out.

    Absolutely great rant, please keep ranting and call upon the power of 10 ranting tigers if needed...



    Keep up those light saber sounds!

     
  11. ja1myn

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    Sooooo someone disagrees with you and you quit at the whole sphere of YA.

    Intelligent.
     
  12. sirgold

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    Idiots are the very reason we profit so well, don't be so harsh ;)
     
  13. jazzc

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    No, they 're not, they 're just plain stupid.

    It 's hard to absorb the amount of stupidity at first as it might not fit your current understanding of the world.

    Then you 'll realize your time is not worth catering for stupid humanoids and you 'll find a nice forum with a great content/noise ratio (and black background) to hang around ;)
     
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  14. B. Friendly

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    On topic, I happen to know a network administrator for a college. He gets reports/complaints constantly due to students circumventing the restrictions on the network. He doesn't give a shit what they do. He has a policy and it's his job to enforce it. He's paid very well. He's not going to waste his time chasing down every miscreant trying to download circus midget porn. However, if he gets some kind of "official notice", he's required by college policy (as defined by the college legal department, who also don't give a shit about P2P filesharing) to administratively "do something". So he sends an email as a warning for the 1st offense. 2nd offense is a "talking to" warning, and 3rd offense they kick you out of school.

    Nothing personal. He's got WAY more important things to do other than fuck around with MPAA and RIAA. He doesn't give a fuck about THEM, he cares about that pain-in-the-ass guy from Legal, that comes over and says shit to him everytime some asshole from somewhere on the planet sends him some kind of legal threat.

    So, from my personal perspective, that's how I would characterize the College Network Administrator as he really is in real life. He doesn't give a fuck, but after your 2nd warning he will throw your ass off campus, and not think twice about it. He's got other, more important things to do, and besides that, if you are too stupid to figure out how to circumvent his network policies without getting caught, you really shouldn't be in college anyways. Too fucking stupid. Chick-Fil-A is hiring, and we'll be seeing you fucking later. He'd be doing your dumb ass a favor anyways, as you'd rather be unemployed with no college degree and no student loan debt, than unemployed with no college degree and owing $67,000 to the Federal Government in non-forgiveable, the-only-way-you-are-going-to-get-out-of-this-debt-is-to-pay-it-off-or-die Student Loans.
     
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  15. LOL-Blaster

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    I don't know about your university, but in my university,
    if two people run torrents @ 500 kbps, it Can clog up the connection and ruin it for everybody.

    As for B. Friendly, don't talk down on other people just because they don't know something.
    You are not as smart as you think you are.
    Oh, and by the way. Don't you think your username is kind of ironic?
     
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    @OP, Nice rant. :)
    The sad part is he is actually partly right when it comes to privacy. He still doesn't get it though, the problem is not really Google or some other site tracking you but Governments are, Google and FB get powerful because people actually give that information to a company with no real privacy statement (other than you have none).
    At current there is a site being build in the USA that is capable of working with yotta bytes to check ALL data traffic, if needed I will search for a link to that. I didn't get that out of the Daily Mail btw.
    Still, don't fuzz about it, just guide him to some petition with your incentive CPA offer. lol

    The quote by Jazzc it actually more true than I want it to be. :(

    Anyways, I think it is time I get some rest. Insomnia is not as much fun as it seems and I think I can finally beat it for a few hours. :)
     
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  18. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I removed the politics form your answers, keep it within topic please to avoid deletion of posts/thread. Thanks.

    @B.Friendly

    Not sure why you think your network admin 's role is important in the order of things and devote 3 paragraphs about him. From what you say, he 's a guy that has no word on policy and just enforces stuff from above. Like a janitor or a teacher or an engineer or basically most of the employed people.

    Also, you seem to assume every university building has a fine network architecture and rules. Lol-blaster 's issue may well be totally real. How can you know their network admin isn't capping the total speed/connections per switch/vlan causing for example a lab 's internet to crawl if a few people hit the limit? You can't know that. So, why are you so quick to ridicule his statement?
     
  19. SH44tre

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    Gotta say I'm with you guys about the stupidity of the average internet surfer (obviously..). I think I'm going to take a note from Krazy Kitty and avoid direct confrontation with users from now on. Just automate the majority of interactions.

    Pretty much spot on, imo. I'm still having trouble trying to see things from their perspective.

    I'm a bit surprised that most university networks seem to be so fragile. I guess I was a bit spoiled, the network at my uni was updated the year I got there There were people torrenting 24/7 (friends of mine in Comp. Sci. set up an ftp network they constantly downloaded movies, games, music, etc. for. At the end of the first year it was over 2 terabytes), and many torrenting casually (Canada, at the time, had no anti-piracy laws in place) with no notable network strain. It was set up to handle several times the current student population, I suppose.

    You're right, however, I should not base my knowledge on personal experience alone.


    P.S. kind of sad I missed whatever got edited out
     
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  20. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Don't worry, still a lot of content on BHW :) Politics is a "banned" topic because it leads to flames and hate very very fast.
     
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