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getting scammed by BHW member fr selling fb acc method - what should i do?

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  1. blackhatgalaxy

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    getting scammed by a user on bhw to which i sold a 600$ fb acc method to, ive given him method and now he is saying he will chargeback the amount becaoz he already knew this method, he is hiding his bhw username which i forgot, here is the whole conversation, please see for yourself:

    [8:14:39 PM] eStealth: you have to buy
    [8:14:48 PM] eStealth: failed billing acc's
    [8:14:57 PM] eStealth: they go from 15-25
    [8:15:04 PM] eStealth: i wil give you my contacts
    [8:15:13 PM] eStealth: then buy high balance hackd vcc's
    [8:15:21 PM] eStealth: and add that s a fundin source to the acc
    [8:15:40 PM] OBEY Yaniv: wait wait what
    [8:15:40 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:15:50 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so failed billing accts - u got contacts for those
    [8:15:52 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and then,
    [8:15:57 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:15:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: high balance vcc's - ?
    [8:16:01 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:16:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u got contacts
    [8:16:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:16:05 PM] eStealth: theyre hacked vcc;s
    [8:16:06 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:16:11 PM] eStealth: let me give you
    [8:16:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: k but its not a real cc
    [8:16:13 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its a Vcc
    [8:16:13 PM] OBEY Yaniv: right
    [8:16:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:16:16 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:16:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: then what
    [8:16:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ok
    [8:16:21 PM] OBEY Yaniv: thats it ?
    [8:16:25 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:16:27 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dafuck
    [8:16:27 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ..
    [8:16:30 PM] OBEY Yaniv: proxies
    [8:16:32 PM] OBEY Yaniv: countries
    [8:16:33 PM] OBEY Yaniv: pva
    [8:16:34 PM] OBEY Yaniv: etc..
    [8:16:35 PM] OBEY Yaniv: :|
    [8:16:38 PM] eStealth: ya of course
    [8:16:41 PM] eStealth: each account
    [8:16:51 PM] eStealth: use a different proxy of the same country as a billing
    [8:16:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: name of card
    [8:16:56 PM] eStealth: as the account
    [8:16:57 PM] OBEY Yaniv: pva
    [8:16:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:16:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude..
    [8:17:08 PM] eStealth: to make acc with pva
    [8:17:15 PM] eStealth: you need to buy facedominator
    [8:17:17 PM] eStealth: and
    [8:17:21 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what about 30$ !!!! ?
    [8:17:23 PM] eStealth: program activity on the acc
    [8:17:26 PM] eStealth: for 1-2 weeks
    [8:17:31 PM] eStealth: ya
    [8:17:36 PM] eStealth: the total cost is 30$
    [8:17:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: explain me hwo
    [8:17:43 PM] OBEY Yaniv: please write in a text
    [8:17:46 PM] OBEY Yaniv: like a tutorial
    [8:17:47 PM] eStealth: failed billing acc+
    [8:17:49 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not like that
    [8:17:49 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude
    [8:17:51 PM] OBEY Yaniv: write steps
    [8:17:51 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what i need
    [8:17:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: who tto contact
    [8:17:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: etc
    [8:17:59 PM] eStealth: kk np
    [8:18:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i didnt pay for a "buy this, do this and ur good from there"
    [8:18:09 PM] eStealth: np 1 sec
    [8:18:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ty
    [8:18:23 PM] OBEY Yaniv: please write it normal, with all solutions, examples, etc ... put some effort in it ... 600$ ffs..
    [8:18:52 PM] eStealth: kk man ya 5 min
    [8:23:33 PM] *** eStealth sent facebook.txt ***
    [8:24:28 PM] OBEY Yaniv: 4. use ccleaner delete everything
    [8:24:41 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:24:50 PM] eStealth: for your browser
    [8:24:52 PM] OBEY Yaniv: I didnt understand now
    [8:24:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: is this 2 methods?
    [8:24:57 PM] OBEY Yaniv: 1 with pva
    [8:24:59 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:25:00 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and 1 with ready account
    [8:25:00 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:25:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ok
    [8:25:03 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:25:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so the easy way
    [8:25:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: is to buy 2 stuf
    [8:25:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: for 30$
    [8:25:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and im good to go
    [8:25:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:25:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: basically i buy the hacked vcc and i buy the failed billing account, add to that faield billing accuont that new vcc and thats it?
    [8:25:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: failed billing account (pva i guess that is "ready" ?)
    [8:26:58 PM] eStealth: yes
    [8:27:02 PM] eStealth: exactly
    [8:27:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: k
    [8:27:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: give me please the contacts
    [8:27:11 PM] OBEY Yaniv: to buy these stuff
    [8:27:15 PM] eStealth: ya 1 sec
    [8:27:25 PM] OBEY Yaniv: btw, just for u to know ... it is a bullshit method
    [8:27:28 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and i feel tricked
    [8:27:38 PM] OBEY Yaniv: where is the method in all that ?
    [8:28:03 PM] eStealth: ?not getting?this is the method
    [8:28:16 PM] eStealth: u would not have found without that
    [8:28:20 PM] OBEY Yaniv: lol...
    [8:28:22 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what is the method
    [8:28:27 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i already knew about vcc ... with balance
    [8:28:32 PM] eStealth: ya
    [8:28:35 PM] OBEY Yaniv: the whole "method" is to buy these..
    [8:28:39 PM] eStealth: ya
    [8:28:43 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so there is no method here
    [8:28:50 PM] eStealth: then u need use only failed billing acc
    [8:28:53 PM] OBEY Yaniv: why do i need "failed billing account" ?
    [8:29:05 PM] eStealth: because its no longer possible with new acc's
    [8:29:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so now explain me this
    [8:29:13 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what about
    [8:29:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: when i login to that failed billing account
    [8:29:22 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i need the right proxy
    [8:29:31 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i need the account name and account card to have same name
    [8:29:33 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i need more shit
    [8:29:33 PM] OBEY Yaniv: wtf.
    [8:30:36 PM] eStealth: no its doesnt have to be same name
    [8:30:42 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what about proxies
    [8:30:46 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anything more i should know ?
    [8:30:57 PM] eStealth: ya i told u proxy just needs be same country
    [8:31:00 PM] eStealth: no
    [8:31:02 PM] eStealth: thats it
    [8:31:06 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so u need also to include that
    [8:31:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: in expsnse
    [8:31:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so its not 30$
    [8:31:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u need a private proxy right ?
    [8:31:23 PM] OBEY Yaniv: +
    [8:31:34 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what is the "paramter" that was changed
    [8:31:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: suddnely jumped to 30$ from 10$ ?
    [8:31:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so before the method was "hacked vcc" thats it ?
    [8:32:43 PM] eStealth: no
    [8:32:56 PM] eStealth: before the mehtod was using real hacked fb accs
    [8:33:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so much b/s 600$ for this :|
    [8:33:23 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i already was using fake vcc's ..
    [8:33:30 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and i already knew that this whats need to be done
    [8:33:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: basically u could have said "i sell contacts"
    [8:33:43 PM] OBEY Yaniv: but not a "method"
    [8:33:48 PM] eStealth: so y did u want metod?
    [8:33:59 PM] eStealth: this is a method man
    [8:34:24 PM] OBEY Yaniv: lol ...
    [8:34:25 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this aint a method
    [8:34:28 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i wanted the method
    [8:34:32 PM] OBEY Yaniv: on how to create the vcc
    [8:34:36 PM] OBEY Yaniv: how to create these accounts
    [8:34:38 PM] OBEY Yaniv: which bank to go
    [8:34:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: etc
    [8:34:44 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not to fucking go and buy shit from people
    [8:34:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i just spent 600$ for absolutly nothing.
    [8:34:57 PM] eStealth: i told u befor it was 30$
    [8:35:20 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude, who da fuck doesnt know that u use vcc for these 250 accts ???
    [8:35:35 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so the big secret is: buy a hacked failed billing account
    [8:35:38 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that is 600$ !?
    [8:35:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: grr
    [8:36:18 PM] eStealth: ya lol
    [8:36:29 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not funny at all,
    [8:36:31 PM] OBEY Yaniv: im really pissed
    [8:36:32 PM] OBEY Yaniv: if u would tell me
    [8:36:43 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that its about "buy this acc from my contact" i wouldnever pay
    [8:36:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: when u pay for a method u want the way how to create ti
    [8:36:55 PM] OBEY Yaniv: it*
    [8:37:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not to just pay to sombody to get ready stuff
    [8:37:26 PM] OBEY Yaniv: like you will pay for a script and i will tell u, its on my server but u can use it. instead of giving u the fucking script ... that u payed for
    [8:38:38 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i am going to tell u that keep those contacts
    [8:38:40 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and i will charge back
    [8:38:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u didnt discover anything new to me
    [8:38:49 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this is not a method
    [8:38:50 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this is b-s
    [8:39:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: method would be: go to this bank, sign up there, open a vcc, use that vcc in the account using a proxy etc ...
    [8:39:15 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not "go to my guy and buy, its ready"
    [8:39:17 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this aint a method
    [8:40:21 PM] eStealth: man i told you its about 30
    [8:40:22 PM] eStealth: $
    [8:40:26 PM] eStealth: to make the acc's
    [8:40:37 PM] eStealth: i srsly dont get you
    [8:40:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude, ok let me explain you this
    [8:40:45 PM] OBEY Yaniv: if your guy dies now
    [8:40:46 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what happens then
    [8:40:46 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [8:40:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: nothing.
    [8:41:01 PM] OBEY Yaniv: method works, but not for me
    [8:41:06 PM] OBEY Yaniv: as it snot a method !!!
    [8:41:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its a CONTACT
    [8:41:21 PM] eStealth: ya then i tell you exaclty what to do
    [8:41:28 PM] eStealth: you buy
    [8:41:30 PM] eStealth: acc
    [8:41:31 PM] eStealth: then vcc
    [8:41:34 PM] eStealth: then use it
    [8:41:37 PM] eStealth: thats a method man
    [8:41:43 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude
    [8:41:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: thats a fucking PUBLIC method
    [8:41:53 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what you are seeling is your contact guy
    [8:42:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: your not selling any method here
    [8:42:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and im fucking pissed
    [8:42:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: keep your contacts, send back the money
    [8:42:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this way i dont get shit out of it
    [8:42:51 PM] eStealth: i dont mind refunding you
    [8:42:53 PM] eStealth: but not yet
    [8:42:55 PM] eStealth: i cant now
    [8:43:00 PM] eStealth: however you r scamming me
    [8:43:03 PM] eStealth: y?
    [8:43:09 PM] eStealth: ive already told you method
    [8:43:10 PM] eStealth: ?
    [8:43:13 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude
    [8:43:16 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ITS NOT A METHOD
    [8:43:45 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and im the LAST person on earth that will scam ANYBODY
    [8:43:45 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and you can check that
    [8:43:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i was expecting a method man
    [8:44:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: which means: go to bank X, write these details, get a vcc etc ....
    [8:44:15 PM] eStealth: ok well i dont mind giving bak money however i cant yet
    [8:44:23 PM] eStealth: that not how it works anymore
    [8:44:26 PM] OBEY Yaniv: "i cant yet" means ?
    [8:44:29 PM] eStealth: you could have told me that before
    [8:44:36 PM] eStealth: what type of vcc you needed etc...
    [8:44:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude
    [8:44:44 PM] OBEY Yaniv: every question i asked
    [8:44:47 PM] eStealth: i told you 30$
    [8:44:49 PM] OBEY Yaniv: "i cant talk more about it"
    [8:44:55 PM] OBEY Yaniv: k, listen im telling my accountant
    [8:44:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: to get the money back
    [8:45:00 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i dont need the contacts
    [8:45:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and this isnt a method
    [8:45:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and i feel sorry for who ever payed u
    [8:45:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: as this is a scam, if u want or not
    [8:45:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: go ask people if its amethod
    [8:46:13 PM] eStealth: man i dont know what to say to you
    [8:46:18 PM] eStealth: but thats the method
    [8:46:21 PM] eStealth: lol...
    [8:46:31 PM] OBEY Yaniv: k,
    [8:46:35 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i am claiming back the money
    [8:46:37 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u keep the contacts
    [8:46:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: cuz the contacts is the method
    [8:46:43 PM] eStealth: kk
    [8:46:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not "buy this, do this"
    [8:46:47 PM] eStealth: ya kindof
    [8:46:55 PM] OBEY Yaniv: good, and i did not get any contact
    [8:47:01 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so i got nothing,
    [8:47:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no reason for me to pay for something I already knew,
    [8:47:06 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u want proofs i knew it ?
    [8:47:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i can show u
    [8:47:25 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so u dont feel scammed
    [8:47:27 PM] eStealth: ya i woul d like to see
    [8:47:29 PM] OBEY Yaniv: k
    [8:47:30 PM] OBEY Yaniv: sec
    [8:50:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: fuck cant find it nwo
    [8:50:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: a guy
    [8:50:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that lives in bulgaria
    [8:50:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not sorry, romania i think it was
    [8:50:16 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and he was going to the bank
    [8:50:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: (on the net)
    [8:50:22 PM] OBEY Yaniv: openning a vcc
    [8:50:24 PM] OBEY Yaniv: which cost him couple of euros
    [8:50:29 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and then he made pva
    [8:50:36 PM] OBEY Yaniv: (we had to have smae name on card and account)
    [8:50:41 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and we used it
    [8:50:45 PM] eStealth: hahahahahhahahaahhahahahahahahahhahahah
    [8:50:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: im trying to find my conv with him on skype
    [8:50:51 PM] eStealth: that shit doesnt work
    [8:50:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: works
    [8:50:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i did it my self
    [8:51:01 PM] OBEY Yaniv: tons of times
    [8:51:05 PM] OBEY Yaniv: but cant be depended on sombody
    [8:51:07 PM] eStealth: so what did you need method for
    [8:51:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: [12:51 PM] OBEY Yaniv:


    <<< but cant be depended on sombody
    [8:51:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: thats why
    [8:51:26 PM] eStealth: not getting that
    [8:51:28 PM] OBEY Yaniv: trying to find him
    [8:51:30 PM] OBEY Yaniv: now to show u
    [8:51:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: cuz if I need sombody in order to do it
    [8:51:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: it snot a method
    [8:51:42 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its a fucking contact
    [8:51:45 PM] OBEY Yaniv: method = i can do it on my own
    [8:51:53 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no need to buy stuff from peopel
    [8:51:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that can disappear, like this guy did
    [8:52:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: trying to find him now
    [8:53:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: to show u
    [8:54:07 PM] eStealth: lol k
    [8:54:48 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u see what I mean ? now i am depending on him
    [8:54:51 PM] OBEY Yaniv: of course i cant find him
    [8:54:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: cuz he changed name / disappeard
    [8:55:00 PM] OBEY Yaniv: tahts exactly why i wanted a METHOD
    [8:55:28 PM] eStealth: lol k
    [8:55:37 PM] eStealth: all of a sudden you cant find him and stuff lol
    [8:55:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its not all of sudden
    [8:55:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i think i told u about it
    [8:56:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i was working with him
    [8:56:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: one time i gave him axx
    [8:56:05 PM] eStealth: hahahahahhahahahhahaha
    [8:56:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: he saw what i run
    [8:56:13 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and since then disappeard
    [8:56:15 PM] eStealth: man why u doing this
    [8:56:15 PM] eStealth: ?
    [8:56:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: since then i am looking for a method
    [8:56:23 PM] OBEY Yaniv: GRRRR u know what, hold here.
    [8:56:29 PM] OBEY Yaniv: let me find it i will go fucking person by person to show u
    [8:56:31 PM] eStealth: you just lying thats not cool man...
    [9:02:23 PM] OBEY Yaniv: found him
    [9:02:27 PM] OBEY Yaniv: wait now i will take SS's so u see
    [9:02:32 PM] OBEY Yaniv: or come on teamviewer
    [9:02:47 PM] eStealth: k give me your info
    [9:02:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: 704 010 178
    [9:03:00 PM] OBEY Yaniv: 7a81vs
    [9:07:02 PM] eStealth: diding see anythign
    [9:07:09 PM] eStealth: not getting were you saw it
    [9:07:33 PM] OBEY Yaniv: [10/30/2012 12:01:19] OBEY Yaniv: well, i logged in
    [10/30/2012 12:01:22] OBEY Yaniv: saw the spending limit
    [10/30/2012 12:01:25] OBEY Yaniv: but didnt put anything up yet
    [10/30/2012 12:01:27] OBEY Yaniv: so 50% test is completed:D
    [10/30/2012 12:01:34] serge kurtnick: hehe:)
    [10/30/2012 12:12:29] serge kurtnick: managed to get the vpn then running I assume
    [10/30/2012 12:12:49] OBEY Yaniv: yup
    [10/30/2012 12:12:53] OBEY Yaniv: estonian hma
    [10/30/2012 12:12:54] OBEY Yaniv: well,
    [10/30/2012 12:13:00] OBEY Yaniv: how can i be sure it works
    [10/30/2012 12:13:01] OBEY Yaniv: ?
    [10/30/2012 12:13:11] serge kurtnick: if the IP is working?
    [10/30/2012 12:13:12] OBEY Yaniv: i mean, what is the way to check that
    [10/30/2012 12:13:14] OBEY Yaniv: nope
    [10/30/2012 12:13:16] OBEY Yaniv: the account
    [10/30/2012 12:13:16] OBEY Yaniv: lol
    [10/30/2012 12:13:37] serge kurtnick: create ads and run
    [10/30/2012 12:13:47] OBEY Yaniv: and in 2 days
    [10/30/2012 12:13:51] OBEY Yaniv: it will get fucked
    [9:07:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this is when i wanted to buy the first one from him
    [9:07:46 PM] OBEY Yaniv: to see that he doesnt bullshit me
    [9:08:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i am trying to find some other text, to show u .. we were doing calls instead of texting ..
    [9:08:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: [Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:15 AM] serge kurtnick:


    <<< there are actually guys who will buy that account from you
    for like $30 :D
    [9:08:21 PM] OBEY Yaniv: here u go ..
    [9:08:28 PM] eStealth: i cant see where he showed you this metho
    [9:08:38 PM | Removed 9:09:29 PM] OBEY Yaniv: This message has been removed.
    [9:09:27 PM] OBEY Yaniv: [10/30/2012 12:15:06] serge kurtnick: there are actually guys who will buy that account from you
    [10/30/2012 12:15:09] serge kurtnick: for like $30 :D
    [10/30/2012 12:15:16] OBEY Yaniv: ah ?
    [10/30/2012 12:15:18] OBEY Yaniv: but its dead
    [10/30/2012 12:15:19] serge kurtnick: they buy billing failed accounts :D
    eStealth
    [9:09:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this, after this we made a call and he explined me why they buy it etc
    [9:09:46 PM] OBEY Yaniv: the thing is he, was making these not buying these
    [9:09:55 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and thats what i thought u had .. a METHOD .
    [9:11:44 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude thats more than enough, u got it black over white:


    [1:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv:


    <<< [10/30/2012 12:15:19] serge kurtnick: they buy billing failed accounts :D[1:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv:


    <<< [10/30/2012 12:15:06] serge kurtnick: there are actually guys who will buy that account from you
    [10/30/2012 12:15:09] serge kurtnick: for like $30 :D
    then came a phone call, and he explained me ...
    [9:11:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: this is not a method, again ... its contacts, i payed for a method
    [9:12:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i thought u will teach me how to create these accounts to sell or whatever
    [9:12:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not to buy them
    [9:12:21 PM] OBEY Yaniv: now maybe u get it, im not a lier, and not a scammer,
    [9:13:21 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway, you are seelling contacts, I did not get those contacts, and i preffer not to get them, as this isnt a method . I am telling my accountant to charge back the money, unless you want to do it from your side.
    [9:15:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway i proved you that i knew about the "method" of buying "failed billing accounts" + i did not get any contacts from you, which is basically the whole "heart" of the "method" so if you refund from your side, it will be better. if not i am asking my accountant to charge back the account and report fraud. cuz sorry to tell u, this isnt a method.
    [9:15:42 PM] eStealth: this is a method brah...
    [9:15:46 PM] eStealth: srsly not getting this
    [9:15:51 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude
    [9:15:52 PM] eStealth: and i gave you 2 method
    [9:15:53 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i proved u that i knew it
    [9:15:57 PM] eStealth: and this guy you showed me
    [9:15:59 PM] eStealth: dissapeared
    [9:16:00 PM] eStealth: ?
    [9:16:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: yup
    [9:16:05 PM] OBEY Yaniv: thats why i want a method
    [9:16:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and not a "buying place"
    [9:16:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: like he was
    [9:16:24 PM] eStealth: you mean he deleted you or hes just not answering
    [9:16:25 PM] eStealth: ?
    [9:16:31 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no not deleted
    [9:16:32 PM] OBEY Yaniv: just disappeard
    [9:16:49 PM] OBEY Yaniv: we were rrunning with vcc's i was buying from him
    [9:16:50 PM] OBEY Yaniv: using pva's
    [9:17:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: he was making vcc's in his home country which i forgot again where it was
    [9:17:14 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and then one time i showed him what i run and since then he isnt answering
    [9:17:25 PM] OBEY Yaniv: (i guess he saw the roi, took the campaign and ran)
    [9:17:52 PM] eStealth: roi on what
    [9:17:53 PM] eStealth: ?
    [9:18:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: on campaigns i was running
    [9:18:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway, he disappeard, thats why i look for a method
    [9:18:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not for contacts
    [9:18:33 PM] OBEY Yaniv: what u "sold" me is somthing that i already know + contacts WHICH I DO NOT want to recieve, as i am not looking for contacts
    [9:18:40 PM] OBEY Yaniv: im looking for the source of that
    [9:18:42 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not the contacts
    [9:19:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway, i think i proved you that I did not lie
    [9:19:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: neither scammed
    [9:19:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: over knowing about this "method"
    [9:20:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: so now we got two choices:


    1. you act like a decent person, as you claim you are (like me) and realize, i already knew that, its not fair to pay for that and i have shown proofs of that.


    2. you are scamming, which will make me ask for a chargeback from our bank + spread the "secret method" in order at least to pay in the same coin, which i think is un-neccssaary.
    [9:21:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: * I am not a scammer, neither a lier . I stand behind my word, and showed u proofs immediatly.
    [9:22:45 PM] eStealth: bro this isnt fair
    [9:22:48 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway, im asking my accountant + lawyer of our company to place a chargeback
    [9:22:49 PM] eStealth: i tell you method
    [9:22:50 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude
    [9:22:53 PM] eStealth: then u say its not method
    [9:22:53 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its not a fucking method
    [9:22:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: if it was
    [9:22:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i would not have any problem
    [9:23:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u think if i wanted to scam i would take so much time ?
    [9:23:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: lol
    [9:23:16 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i was gathering money
    [9:23:17 PM] OBEY Yaniv: + checking options
    [9:23:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: before i payed
    [9:23:35 PM] OBEY Yaniv: but then when i pay i see that this is something I already know, I showed u proofs of that + its not a method.
    [9:23:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no matter how many times u will say that
    [9:24:36 PM] OBEY Yaniv: you should have told me: I am selling contacts to PEOPLE which you can buy from the stuff you need in order to get those accounts (no its not banks, or anything that you can do by your self)
    [9:24:37 PM] eStealth: ya now you want to chargeback
    [9:24:44 PM] OBEY Yaniv: doing by my self = method
    [9:24:50 PM] OBEY Yaniv: depending on other people = contacts
    [9:24:52 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its a big difference
    [9:25:35 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway i told them to start the proccedure, do as you wish ..
    [9:25:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: going to take a cig, im pissed.
    [9:25:54 PM] eStealth: u never said you didnt wanted to depend on other peoples
    [9:25:59 PM] OBEY Yaniv: I have a VERY respectable network i am manging, people know me all over the scene, i am the last oerson who would scam.
    [9:26:05 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and you can ask around
    [9:26:09 PM] OBEY Yaniv: but i dont like to be taken for a fool
    [9:26:24 PM] OBEY Yaniv: depended on other people = NOT A METHOD !!!!
    [9:26:31 PM] eStealth: pls send me link to ur network
    [9:26:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: http://www.obey.my
    [9:26:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: we have never scammed a person
    [9:26:57 PM] OBEY Yaniv: we will never do that
    [9:27:01 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and have the best terms there are
    [9:27:20 PM] OBEY Yaniv: even if you had a mistake, im explaining you now its not a method.
    [9:27:22 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i did not get the contacts yet
    [9:27:28 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no reason for you not to pay back
    [9:27:33 PM] eStealth: how much are you making with this network
    [9:27:34 PM] eStealth: ?
    [9:27:36 PM] OBEY Yaniv: as I already proved you that I DID know about this
    [9:27:45 PM] OBEY Yaniv: I dont own this network
    [9:27:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i manage there
    [9:28:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and it could be over 1$
    [9:28:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its the prinicple
    [9:28:06 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that i pay for something
    [9:28:18 PM | Edited 9:28:30 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its not the sum, im a prinicple guy.
    [9:28:44 PM] eStealth: so how do i know you r not scamming me
    [9:28:44 PM] eStealth: ?
    [9:28:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: anyway i have supplied all proofs you needed to see, and explained nicely
    [9:28:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: how can i scam you lol
    [9:29:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i just shwoed u that i knew about this "using billing failed accounts"
    [9:29:15 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i knew they are being bought for like 30$
    [9:29:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: + i showed u that guy
    [9:29:25 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that i was buying from
    [9:29:31 PM] OBEY Yaniv: + you didnt give me any contacts
    [9:29:33 PM] OBEY Yaniv: where is the scam ?
    [9:29:39 PM] OBEY Yaniv: lol
    [9:30:41 PM] eStealth: you wait till i give you method
    [9:30:45 PM] eStealth: then say i am scamme
    [9:30:49 PM] eStealth: rthen chargeback that money
    [9:31:49 PM] OBEY Yaniv: but I HAD IT
    [9:31:52 PM] OBEY Yaniv: lol
    [9:31:54 PM] OBEY Yaniv: wtf
    [9:32:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude, you are trying to scam me, after u realize that i am right
    [9:32:11 PM] OBEY Yaniv: i showed you the proofs.
    [9:32:26 PM] OBEY Yaniv: there was a reason i was asking if i need to be in the usa etc to do it
    [9:32:36 PM] OBEY Yaniv: cuz i was sure its a method = open a vcc at a certain place etc
    [9:32:48 PM] OBEY Yaniv: not depending on people that wanna sell me stuff
    [9:33:05 PM] eStealth: bro i know you just want t ochargeback
    [9:33:12 PM] eStealth: just get on with it already
    [9:33:12 PM] OBEY Yaniv: of course I do
    [9:33:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: should i charge back ?
    [9:33:23 PM] OBEY Yaniv: or do you want to refund ?
    [9:33:30 PM] eStealth: just chargeback
    [9:33:32 PM] eStealth: i cant refund
    [9:33:35 PM] eStealth: for i am a priniciple guy
    [9:33:42 PM] OBEY Yaniv: are you ???
    [9:33:44 PM] eStealth: if i didnt do nothing wrong
    [9:33:47 PM] OBEY Yaniv: dude,
    [9:33:50 PM] eStealth: then i cant refund
    [9:33:51 PM] OBEY Yaniv: did u give me any contacts ?
    [9:33:58 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no.
    [9:34:02 PM] OBEY Yaniv: did u tell me something i did not know ?
    [9:34:03 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no
    [9:34:07 PM] OBEY Yaniv: is it a method ?
    [9:34:08 PM] OBEY Yaniv: no
    [9:34:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: its a list of people which sells accounts
    [9:34:20 PM] OBEY Yaniv: thats what it is
    [9:34:27 PM] OBEY Yaniv: WHICH I DID NOT ask for
    [9:34:33 PM] eStealth: yes you asked
    [9:34:38 PM] OBEY Yaniv: netither recieved
    [9:34:39 PM] eStealth: ok just chargeback
    [9:34:43 PM] eStealth: i am tired of arguing
    [9:34:46 PM] eStealth: we will go nowhere
    [9:34:56 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ok, i am charging back which means the bank will ask you questions
    [9:35:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and it might get a report
    [9:35:06 PM] OBEY Yaniv: as you wish,
    [9:35:18 PM] OBEY Yaniv: im going to publish this "method" and see the responses of people on bhw
    [9:35:22 PM] OBEY Yaniv: over a "method"
    [9:35:26 PM] OBEY Yaniv: u will see it for your self.
    [9:35:44 PM] eStealth: ok let see what they say
    [9:35:48 PM] OBEY Yaniv: ok
    [9:35:54 PM] eStealth: depeding on what they say i might refund you myself
    [9:36:04 PM] OBEY Yaniv: yeah, but then you wont be able to sell anything more
    [9:36:10 PM] OBEY Yaniv: as everybody will know that
    [9:36:16 PM] eStealth: will know what
    [9:36:17 PM] eStealth: ?
    [9:36:19 PM] OBEY Yaniv: look, i do not say that everybody KNOWS IT,
    [9:36:25 PM] OBEY Yaniv: that its possible to use vcc + account
    [9:36:32 PM] OBEY Yaniv: but I DO
    [9:36:34 PM] OBEY Yaniv: and thats not a method
    [9:38:12 PM] eStealth: thats a method
     
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    OP sold someone a halfass method which amounts to forwarding sales to his supplier. The accused asked for a refund, OP said he would refund the accused, then didn't, and ends the exchange by saying he might refund the guy if the forum thinks it's a bullshit method.

    It's a bullshit method. It's not worth anywhere near what the accused paid for it, and OP is a shifty mofo. OP Permbanned.
     
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    I was the one that got scammed by the way, thanks .
    idiot ... "i am a principles guy" he tells me.

    Fucking pissed. as he had good "rep" over here
     
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    WTF?! I would've felt like finding his location and beating him...$600 worth of beating, plus a few "surcharges".
     
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    its not even the sum, its the prinicple . that the guy had good rep over here ... i did my checks on him ...
    and yeah if i would see him i would beat his ass .. fucking idiot,
     
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    did you somehow get your money back? I hope you did.
     
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    Man, people throwing with money around here and I can't even afford a simple seo tool.

    Donor with reputation and selling a half-ass method, probably thought a registered member was easy to scam and noone would believe him over a donor I suppose. Hope you got everything back black-panther.
     
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    In the past, I've been scammed by 2 exec-vip's before. They've now been banned and I never got to see my money back. It's over $1k that I've lost but I did learn my lesson.

    Hope you get your money back.

    Cheers.
     
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    nope didnt get it yet, but i used wire transfer ... so i will charge back tomorrow ... and lets hope it will work
     
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    It was a friend of the account owner, not the owner himself. Even more stupid! He sold me a crappy method as well, but this is shady as hell!!
     
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    Damn be the scammers, only people who been scammed know that feeling, feeling like they've made donkey of you. It's not always about the money but if the sum is big of course it is...:/ Hope you get the money back and that scamming dude gets what he deserves what goes around comes around, nature/god/karma or whatever will payback to him :D

    oh and yeah, i been "donkey" myself few times...I see on that as lessons I had to learn
     
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    these scammers dont realize the things they are doing will haunt them back BIGTIME! :)
     
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    holyshit thats hilarious... i read through half the log and thought the same thing.
     
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    can't believe the nerve of some people, $600 for nothing
    OP was seriously taking the piss
     
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    Why the hell are you guys even buying " a methods " ?
    Simply start using your brain and free resources you can find on this forum and many other places on the internet. Simply compile everything you read in your own method with your own twists and there you go and then test it out. Your route will be fail - get up and try again - fail - get up and try again - fail - SUCCESS, but it will be worth and you will feel like a champ because you did it using only your brain and resources you find for free.

    Seriously i never understood people who buy those ebooks and guides, ok i can understand kids buying 5-10$ "WSO"s", but 600$ for a method ? lol...
     
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    ive said this a thousand times
    donors / vips / execs / should set an example
    not be made an example of
    but lifes never that simple
     
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    oh my god.. i hope you get your money back.. $600? you could have bought like 50 WSOs out there.. :( is there anything I can help you with, OP?