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Get Rich quick schemes, opinions?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by msuper28, Aug 29, 2015.

  1. msuper28

    msuper28 Power Member

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    I was reading TheVerge and I found an old article (2012) about get rich quick schemes:

    http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/2...h-quick-schemes-mutate-into-an-online-monster

    Now in 2015 this phenomenon has reached highest % of people getting scammed every day with get rich schemes (people still buy WSO's that's a shame lol). Also many people who buy these rich schemes are desperate or broke.

    Which are your opinions about this? What about ethics?

    Isn't better for a seller to build a good Brand for his Internet company and give people results and not selling dreams, is it?

    I know some guys who lost money on stupid online courses about money making, Multi-level-marketing courses and also they've lost money going to Tony Robbins seminars where He tried to sell people his new book "Money master the game". I've told them they are idiots.

    I think this is all a Lie, but in real world people don't like lies so maybe they want to buy what they believe in.
     
  2. Capo Dei Capi

    Capo Dei Capi BANNED BANNED

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    Why does one need to build up a brand when you can just make a new brand when your old one has a bad reputation? You could have a MLM based on an energy drink today and then 5 years later you could make another MLM with enemas as the product under a different brand name and a different "Public Owner".

    So many MLM's are based on existing products that seem to be a private label they are getting,but they are still not scams. They work on the principle that everyone is probably going to follow the methods listed in their manuals and seminars instead of thinking outside of the box to make money.
     
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  3. xenmaster76

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    Ethics? All the matters is you stick reasonably to FTC guidelines, if you're worried about that sort of thing. Beyond that, it's fair game. This is about SELLING. Sometimes people forget what their job is.
     
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  4. Reaver

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    People buy hope. They buy what they hope will work for them. Some of us are just better at selling hope than others.
     
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    I know a guy who sells hope on Craig's list and he doesn't care about no one.
     
  6. Reaver

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    He should be selling hope on WF. Those people will buy anything.
     
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  7. danmrsn

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    This just reminded me of Jordan Belfort. I downloaded from torrents his "Straight Line Persuasion" training and I gotta tell you, he's a monster.
    Regarding the matter of get-rich-quick schemes: I always used to check out the scheme extensively and tried some of them out. I never got to make money from any, and nowadays, as soon as I recognise one, I try not to waste my time. In my oppinion, there might be some get rich quick opportunities(not schemes), but I don't think they give you the same satisfaction as a good business. That's what I'm building now.
    Regarding the matter of get-rich-quick scheme and guys like Jordan Belfort: these people are professional sellers, so I try to analyse them and learn from them. Selling is not wrong, but it's a very powerful tool; so you need to have ethics.
     
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  8. ChanzGrande

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    I've always got paid to sell things to people, and I've always been quite good at it. However, I tend to draw the line at blatantly selling something to someone when I absolutely do not expect it to help them at all.

    I imagine most entrepreneurs can skirt this issue a whole bunch of ways:

    It works for some people
    It works if you do it right
    It works, but most people are dumb
    It worked when I tried it
    I didn't know it didn't work
    Etc...

    Ethics ... mankind's morality code ??? This kind of talk is mostly wasted on people. :)
     
  9. Capo Dei Capi

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    Besides selling drugs their is really no guaranteed get rich quick schemes, but there are get more rich quick schemes that work. Even IM can take months to a few years to get going strong,depending on the niche and if you have prior knowledge in related stuff.
     
  10. BreaknBrix

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    There are definitely ways to get rich quick. STKMKTFTGRU said selling drugs. And I think that's a brilliant idea.

    Here's my method / idea:

    If you look at what shymolecule is doing I've long contemplated copying & improving upon their business model. They're legally selling pharmaceuticals that do the same basic thing xanax and klonopin do. They say they're "research chemicals" (RCs) and are legally allowed to sell in 47 states of the US. Except noone buys them for research. Everyones buys them to get high. They're extremely addictive. So you'll have repeat business whether you want it or not.

    All you have to do is source a distributor of the pure powder. Which is very easy and cheap as fuck. The hard part is dosing and pressing. This is why people gladly pay 100xs what this shit is worth.

    And this is also what leaves the top competitors vulnerable. Right now, the most popular vendor (shy) can't properly press consistent doses. But he can press more consistent doses than anyone else which is why he's killing it. His pills should be 1mg each but they vary between .6mg - 1.7mg which is terrible.

    So if someone, say me, came in and pressed between .9-1.1 I could steal his customer base. Pressing is hard but not that difficult. On a small scale you don't even need a pill press. You get the tablet molds in silicone. You mix the right amounts of active ingredient to cellulose and magensium stearate. You lightly boil water in metal bowl over a hotplate. Put a pyrex dish inside the water. Then you pour the powdered mixture (active ingredient, bulking and binding agents) into the dish. The stearate melts at 190F (88F). Water boils at 214F. You use a handheld milkshake blender and blend the shit out of the liquid. It's a bit like making soap. I'd usually blend for 15-20 mins. I also had a wooden frame with clamps on each side. One with a spring one without So I'd lift the bowl up (over the steam) and clam it. Then push the springside down which would pour into the funnel titrator with a thumb valve.

    Then it's like playing the flute. You pull your finger off, liquid slowly fills, rotate mold, repeat over and over and over.

    As the liquid cools the stearate turns solid and you got perfectly poured pills.

    That's the crude way of doing it. Then I'd just pop the pills and spray them with dextrin water. This makes a resilient seal thats hard to break. The benefits of this method are very consistent doses. The downside is you get rock hard pills that are super brittle. Kinda like chalk. So if you need to cut the pills they shatter. Addicts hate this cause they can't taper (by cutting the pills).

    The benefit of a press is you get a "soft hard" pill. Once the knife goes through the seal you there's an elasticity that pushes back on the blade. This is allows you to cut the pills like hard clay without shattering them. Which addicts like. But if you can't press consistent doses they're no better off than freeze casting.

    What I'd do is automate a small scale casting machine. Brand the silicone molds. Use a blue dye. Make it all about marketing. Would probably cost a few hundred to automate the titrator and rotating base for the molds. Just using a series of gears that are hand controlled. THEN you do a batch of 10,000 pills at 1mg. But you get SMART and do 3 separate molds. One mold for 1mg, one mold for .5mg, another for .25mg. This was people don't have to cut shit.

    I'd enter the market charging half what Shy does. I would only focus on etizolam and dominating that market. Profits would be huge since no press is being used. You register like 100 accounts on reddit and just fake people going insane about these new blue pills. It would spread on all the fringe forums on the open web and dark web. You could probably clear $500,000 the first year.

    After the first year instead of buying a press I'd pay an engineer to build one. Then move to large scale pressing in a warehouse. I'd add more research chems. Awesome branding on all the pills. No cheesy labels or names for anything. Within 3 years I'd clear $10,000,000. Legislators would get mad, then I'd start lobbying for FDA approval. Once I get the FDA on my site the game is over. I'd name my company Acerx. By year 5 we'd be breaking 1 billion a year.

    Anyone looking to JV please LMK. ;)

    -BB
     
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    This escalated quickly.
     
  12. The Scarlet Pimp

    The Scarlet Pimp Senior Member

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    there's gold in them thar pills!