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General SEO Discussion, Percentages.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by bizurk, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. bizurk

    bizurk Junior Member

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    So I work at a SEO firm and the decision makers don't really know what they're talking about. I'm actually the design / dev guy in the building, and about a year ago SEO / Blackhat became sort of a hobby for me. I now have about 80 sites of my own, 50 of those dedicated to IM. And I'm only at like 15$ a day or so and growing.

    So basically I feel like i have a much better knowledge then these guys do, they have been doing the same practices to get people ranked for a couple years now, and they aren't changing their SEO blueprint at all.

    They still seem to think that onsite SEO is only 20% and 80% is offsite. But since Gs changes, it seems like the common consensus is content is king. So in your opinion, what is the percentage of onsite and offsite SEO?

    I'm thinking 60% onsite, 40% offsite.

    As in, onsite will get you to page 4 - 5, but offsite will get you to page one.

    But like i said I've only been doing this for a year, so my experience is limited, which is why I'm asking the question to you fine people. Have at it. :cool:
     
  2. MrE

    MrE Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I think 80/20 is reasonable.

    You rank a site completely with offsite even if a site isn't optimized at all, but you can't do that just by having great onsite optimization and lots of rich content.
     
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  3. bizurk

    bizurk Junior Member

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    Maybe for a very low competition keyword, but I still think 20% is super low. Thanks for the quick response =]
     
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    Agreed that 80/20 is reasonable. It is definitely possible to rank a website with only offsite and no content.
     
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    Why you want them to change their seo strategies if they are doing this for many years now and have some success (i guess) ?
     
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    My SEO Strategies are like 90+% offsite 1-10% on site. I rank for kws that aren't even mentioned on my sites. ;)
     
  7. eldran

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    IMO this onsite/offsite is a skewed metric. Really it depends if you are focussing on link building versus link acquisition / social - you will need interesting, viral content to get those viral links (which are technically offsite). This is a more long term strategy. Low quality link building can definitely get you ranking soon for some keywords IF you don't trip the spam sensors and if the market is low enough, and the chances of that occurring exponentially increases the more you (and everyone else) uses the same tactics, although if you are smart you can reduce the risk, but not eliminate it.

    Also many other factors change the game - is it a legacy site or a new site, in an affiliate or spam market or some "respected" market, on a spammy TLD or a more trusted TLD, is it exact match or not, etc.
     
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    Id have to say 70% to 30% in favor of offsite. I STILL see sites ranking that dont have a single mention of the keyword in their text.
     
  9. bizurk

    bizurk Junior Member

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    They have only been doing it for 2 years. I was hired and started doing SEO for myself a year ago. So no they're definitely not gurus. We typically do new sites that don't really have any risk of getting sandboxed/deindexed. I'm just concerned that if we get a real huge client, and we sand box their internet business, were fucked. No one else here even considers what would happen if we got a huge company deindexed. Oh well I guess.

    EDIT: BTW its nice to wake up and see 7 comments, I love this goddamn forum. Cheers
     
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    95%-offsite
    5%-onsite...i ranked sites with only 1 stupid article on postion 1,usually my clients don`t buy on-site SEO,but i cann still rank their websites pretty well.
     
  11. bizurk

    bizurk Junior Member

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    thanks for the input guys, guess off site is still the most important aspect.