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Gambling Addictions, how to save money? [HELP]

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Revolate, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. Revolate

    Revolate Regular Member

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    Hi guys,

    Thought I'd try my luck and ask if anyone had a gambling addiction? I've lost £1000s in the past few months on the roulette machines etc. I'm a very unlucky guy to begin with. I got paid yesterday (Friday) and I blew £250 in about 20 minutes. (I actually won £180 but thought it wasn't enough and went all out and lost everything, I'm stupid I know.)

    I've just setup a new bank account so I'm going to start to save my money up, thing is I can't really save I just waste it! Has anyone been in a similar situation? I'd love to get some advice on this. I'm 19 and I need to sort this out before it gets to serious as I can't afford to be doing it.

    P.s Gambling is stupid. I'm an idiot for doing it and everytime I do bet I convince myself that I'll win big, THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN, trust me. As soon as I lose I always say I'm never doing it again but next week I do the same thing. Quite a hard thing for me to accept but I need to sort this out. :(
     
  2. mangobajito

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    Just block that websites in router settings
     
  3. bullseye123

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    It is an addiction, very much the same as smoking. To Quit the habit you will have to find alternative things to do.
    Setup a plan. Setup a Schedule. It is all in the mind and you have to change it in your mind.
    Talk to yourself and Like I said find something positive that also make you feel good and give you the same rush.
    So basically every time you think about gambling you have to do the alternative. It takes time to beat an addiction but with repetition it can be done.
    Just be strict and strong.
     
  4. pallyD

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    Switch to Blackjack. At least you have a chance there :mischievo
     
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  5. Griller

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    There should be an option to self-exclude yourself from either the online casino, or the B&M casino, I'd suggest you fully take advantage of that.
     
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  6. Danny1111

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    Join a gym and instead of gambling go and work out -- either treadmill or weights
    after a month or so - you will feel great and be able to keep the urges under control
    As far as money goes - get a savings account where you can only make one withdrawal a month / 6 months or yearly
    that way you can't make multiple withdrawals to gamble with.

    Really recommend the exercise route - as its something to keep up for the rest of your life - and when you hit 30-35 and you look at your out of shape friends - you will feel really good.
     
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  7. kvmcable

    kvmcable Supreme Member

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    First thing you need to understand is it's something bigger than you. In other words, you can't beat this alone. I went through this over 20 years ago. Lost a wife and about all I owned at the time. I paid for those days repeatedly for years. Unfortunately gambling addiction is a silent addiction. I say that because with smoking, drinking or drugs you can usually see the physical symptoms. With gambling there isn't anything in the appearance to tip people off. It's just as damaging as alcohol or drugs; maybe more so.

    Do some research and find yourself a local chapter of gambler's anonymous and get involved. Attend the meetings once or twice a week and listen to the stories. You'll find out just how lucky you are and how it affects people across all levels of education and occupation. I was in my late twenties back then and was a professional poker player. This was long before WTP and all the glamor. I sat beside Doyle Brunson many nights and can still hear him say, "kid if you don't start you won't have to quit". I laughed and we joked. 20 years later I know what he said was true but I learned a bit too late.

    I attended GA classes for two years, met a wonderful woman and never looked back. I don't miss those days of motherfu*ing myself all the way home because I didn't leave when I was ahead. I don't miss coming home and finding all my shit gone because my wife and kids packed up and moved 1200 miles away while I was on a 5 day binge. In those classes I discovered I wasn't the only one that knew the banking system and how to float $30,000 in checks without a dollar to my name. I found out grandmas where as addicted to Bingo as I was to poker. Lastly I met Attorney's and Doctors that were on bond waiting to hear how long they were going to be in jail for their crimes to support their addiction. That is probably what woke me up the quickest. To see professionals that were certainly going to jail and losing their freedom. Gambling became real to me when I heard their stories and figured out I could change before I ended up like them.

    Now I gamble on building websites, running my computer business and investing in IM tools. You'll never find my ass in a Casino again or playing any online games. My freedom and my life means so much more than anything those places can offer.

    Get some help, seriously. I hate to see anyone go through this shit and I lost two very close friends that committed suicide while we were active poker players. They just loss two much and let the card house cave in on them. They lost all their family and friends by borrowing too much and never paying them back. They lost it all and eventually lost their souls and lives. The dangers are real my friend. I feel lucky every day that I got out when I did.

    Good luck to you.
     
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  8. Ribbit

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    Do you live alone or with your parents or partner.

    Is it possible to get your wages paid into their bank account.

    A little extreme but if it's hard to actually get at the money it will help stop it.
     
  9. Duffers5000

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    I know friends that worked a solid 40 hour week and shovelled their entire pay packet into a poker machine by 8pm on a Friday evening. I have some other friends that love gambling but treat it like a business and do massive amounts of homework before they invest. These are guys that spread bet or spot bet on things like first player to get a red card on half time scores etc. There's nothing wrong with gambling if you enjoy it or have a system. If you are just burning your money then you have psychological need to get rid of money because deep down you dont believe you deserve it. If you fall in to the latter camp then you need to get some help to re assess your way of seeing the world.
     
  10. marusia

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    Any casino, whether online or at an actual physical location, will permanently ban you if you ask them. That's what you need to do if you really want to not be tempted.
     
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  11. B. Friendly

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    That's the heart of your problem right there. You believe in luck instead of statistics.
     
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  12. kvmcable

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    The last thing he needs is encouragement to continue with such statements as learn statistics. Any true professional gambler that knows statistics and can do complex calculations in seconds knows in gambling, just like life, there are cycles that no one can explain. This accounts for the best players falling into losing slumps and the mediocre players winning tournaments (i.e. Money Maker).

    If you've gambled for a living you know there's days when you can shove your statistics right up your ass. The stars aren't in alignment, the wind is blowing the wrong direction or just dump luck has found you. You play the best anyone can play and lose. Then there are days when a poker player plays a 10-2 and wins a million dollar tournament. Professionals know this cycle after years of playing and losing the farm with statistics.

    Doyle Brunson is ranked only second to Stu Ungar and won a major tournament playing a 10-2 which statistically is about impossible. No professional poker player will look at a flop with a 10-2 according to statistics. But Doyle who's been playing more years than I've been alive knows when to throw statistics out the window and pay the cycle.

    With all that said, I don't know a single professional player that doesn't regret their life. Not one. What you see on TV is after all the tears and profanity are edited. It's no life for anyone I will tell you that. The reason is simple, the very good and best don't play for the money; they play for the rush. When that happens you're an addict and you'll never win. You're predestined to lose because you're not playing for money (you might say you are but you never win enough) you're playing for the escape from life and the high of winning. Money is what you want to win so you can keep playing.

    Shortly before I quit I won a major tournament in Bell Gardens, CA and banked $125,000 at the Bicycle Club. Now up until that time a major pot for me was $500-$1000. So you'd think I would take a break after winning that chunk of change. Nope I played 5 days straight until I collapsed at the table and woke up in a hospital being fed IVs for exhaustion. I had all the money I needed to keep playing and that's what I did. I played until I collapsed. I left the hospital, checked in at the Casino Bank and had $140,000 now. I went home and found my wife and kids had enough of my sickness and while I played for 5 days they packed up and moved 5 States away afraid I'd lost all the money or be found dead somewhere. They had no idea I won the tournament and now had $140,000 and frankly they didn't give a damn. In retrospect I don't blame them.

    While I understand some people can gamble and walk away at any time there's others it affects much differently. The last thing they need to hear is to study more or rely on statistics. What they need to hear is get some help and quit. I can drink without a problem, quit whenever I want. Drugs never did much for me and again no problems walking away. Gambling is my vice and I stay the hell away from it without any regrets. It wasn't easy at first and I can assure you that I knew statistics. If statistics always won it wouldn't be gambling. The unknown in all gambling statistics is the "over time" calculation. We know the odds win but over what period of time is the mystery. There is no answer to the period of time; sometimes it's minutes and sometimes it's months. That is where the cycle comes into play.

    Some strange things you learn when you play non-stop poker is everything in the universe runs on a similar cycle. If you get dead tired and can't keep your eyes open, look at your clock. Know that in about 15-20 minutes you'll be wide awake and full of energy if you just stay awake. There's a ton of things you learn staying awake repeatedly for days on end. Not much of it is good however =)
     
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    Wow- KVMCABLE That's the one of the realist things I've read on here. DAMN!

    Read that twice OP.

    You have an addictive behavior, and the exercise route is perfect for that as well. Getting professional help is the best place to start but replacing a bad addiction with a good one is what I always do. I have a ridiculously addictive personality so I don't drink, smoke, play video games or gamble. When I do something I have to be the best, or die trying. It's a gift and a curse.

    Channel it in the right things. I work out like a freak and do IM. Those are my new addictions, but even those can be dangerous without moderation. Get some good people around you and that will help too.

    Good Luck Buddy!
    -Capp
     
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  14. ppcgod

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    You have to treat it like a cancer that is going to kill you-- because it is-- and stay as far away from it as you can. You are like an alcoholic now, you will never be able to gamble again pure and simple. Anyone who thinks well one day "ill be better and can play" is just like every other alky who starts drinking 1 beer at a time before you know it back to 12 beers a night. Your best bet is to just quit cold turkey after 1 month of not playing you will feel great and you will have a lot more money.

    Gambling definitely does have different effects on different people I go to the casino all the time with my GF but it is mostly for free drinks and food, and to play with 100 bucks and have a little fun. I used to play 10+ hours a day live poker and even though I was a very profitable player I have to agree with kvmcable above, it is not a great lifestyle. I was avg 4k + a month but in return I spent almost every waking hour playing and away from my family. Best advice to you is just quit, cut it out, treat it like your life depends on it because honestly it does. Just let it go, it will seem hard now but in a few months it will get a little easier. You will always be tempted like with any alcoholic or smoker who quits but you can beat it. Definitely either find some counseling at a GA or find friends who can help you get through it. Just email every site you play on online, and contact every place you go to live and have them remove you and ban you that simple.
     
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  15. B. Friendly

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    I meant to discourage the idea that there is such a thing as "luck". Statistically gamblers lose, always. One can believe in luck all they want, statistics (or I suppose "odds") rule the gambling universe.

    True gamblers are losers. A lot of what you have said indicates the same intellectual weakness as the OP. The idea that Stu Ungar "knows" when to bet statistics and when to throw them out, etc... Normal people don't continue to think this way, particularly after they have suffered catastrophic losses. They understand that it was that kind of thinking that gave them the "green light" to jeopardize their lives to the extent that they did. After a major disaster, all they are aware of is "that was bad" and "I'll never do that again" and then they DON'T. X-aholics don't think that way, and anything other than the process just described is X-aholic thinking. X-aholics think that if they just readjust their thinking, they can change the immutable laws of the universe, and create a new universe where their repeated behaviors make GOOD things happen.

    Back in the day, I spent years in AA meetings listening to drunks and drug-addicts with all their cockamamie notions about "how things are" with alcohol (and/or drugs), even with numerous DUI's, lost jobs, lost marriages, maybe a few dead victims from drinking & driving, yet it didn't take very much to get these self-appointed experts to go on & on about what drinking and alcoholism is all about. They had no shame, and no sense of self-awareness of how ridiculous they appeared trying to appear as some kind of an authority. The consequences of their actions never stopped them from doing it again, and so normal people do not afford much respect for their "expertise" in this area. Only an "x-aholic" will entertain the opinions of someone that has made a complete disaster out of the lives of themselves and those around them with respect. Everyone else sees what's really going on, and what's really important.
     
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    Don't do roulette machines man, if you're going to gamble do something with better odds.

    Like Blackjack card counting or casino poker... even video poker.
     
  17. Amsterdammer

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    Well, at least you know it is not the best option available. lol

    For short term you could perhaps ask your parents or girlfriend to manage your funds? You would then live of an allowance.

    The reason I thought of it is that my money automagically disappears when I can see it so I have a system where I put my salary in a savings account to then have a weekly payment made to my debit account.
    For longer term you might be best of talking to some professionals about this. It is not easy to overcome, if ever.

    Erm, what worked for a friend of mine is to just buy his own machine and play that. He used it as a piggy bank and let his friends play it too...

    I hope this helps and best of luck. :)

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    @B. Friendly, There is no way to win in a legit way consistently when gambling but there is such a thing as the flow of luck or chance or whatever you want to call it.
    If you want I can try and google it for you but I know there are tests going on for years now that conclude even randomly chosen numbers have a sequence to it. It isn't completely random.
    These tests are done all over the world and it turns out that with big events like the Olympics for instance or major rock concerts it can be measured in the randomness of the numbers.

    After a short google I found this, the project is criticized but all projects like that are I think.
     
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    Find the source and start a new thread. I'd be interested in the topic.
     
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    With all due respect; unless you've walked a mile in someone's shoes you have no right to criticize or pass judgement. Everyone has vices, some are fortunate to never discover them and some are forced to overcome theirs. If you think there is nothing in this world that can take hold of you and turn you inside out, you're mistaken. Consider yourself lucky but don't consider yourself privileged. One day you might stumble onto something bigger than yourself and find yourself asking for help from people that have walked the path before you. Never rise so high in intellect or imagined supremacy that you can't bend down to help someone that has fallen and asking for help.

    I consider it a privilege to share my story and hope like hell it flips the light on for this gambler to stop now before it gets worst, because that's the only path it will go. I've been there. I'm not an expert and certainly have nothing to brag about. I pay everyday for those years I sat at poker tables. You can read about my relationship with my children and grandchildren on other posts I've made. I hope this young man turns his life around before he makes the same mistakes I did. Although I haven't been a professional gambler for more than 20 years I still pay daily for the time I was. Don't make my mistakes and stop now. Get help and channel that energy and intellect into something positive.
     
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    LOL, anyone that would argue contrary to this has never invested years calculating statistics and earning a living on the flow of chance or what I consider the cycle of life. Everything in the world revolves on this cycle. Positive forces that when in effect a person performs the unimaginable. Negative forces that anyone would argue would be a billion to one odd of ever happening. Some people winning the lottery repeatedly while others can't get 3 out of 6 numbers to match in their whole life. Consider yourself lucky if do don't know about the cycle of the universe but don't say it doesn't exist to people that have seen it in action for years. Winning streaks and losing streaks happen in life just as they happen at poker tables. Cash in on the winning streaks and pull back your bets on the losing cycle.

    Best regards
     
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