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FTC Drops Case Against Google

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by assphuck, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. assphuck

    assphuck Senior Member

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    Now google looks untouchable
    damn !
     
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    Are you an American? Lobbying can't get you out of an investigation, lobbying can only provoke investigations (in other words, lobbying from other groups put Google on the FTCs radar).

    So technically, lobbying doesn't really work or Google would be under indictment.
     
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    I disagree myheroworld-- At these levels, alot of things are political. I've seen it first hand on the state level. Lobbying and campaign donations can buy you some clout. Not always but yes hate to break it to you if you really thought this country was like some pinacle of non-corruption, sorry to burst your bubble.

    Now whether it was dropped cause of policitical or public pressure, thats a different argument.
     
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    Lobbying is a right protected by our constitution. I would just as soon see any of the bill of rights be crossed out than see lobbying go.


    You can't drop an FTC investigation through lobbying funds. It's not possible and to suggest it is like claiming the government was behind 9/11 - laughable.


    Lobbying provoked this investigation, it didn't get them out of anything:

     
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    Yeah, I'm an American. Apparently you have not followed this story over the years. Google, just like many other multi-national companies do, lobbies government officials and agencies. That's the whole idea behind lobbying. lol

    Here's a couple links to bring you up to speed on Google's lobbying efforts:

    Google Hires 12 Lobbying Firms:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/01/us-google-lobbyists-idUSTRE76056T20110701

    Google's Latest Collective Lobbying Effort Launched in September of 2012:
    http://www.internetassociation.org
     
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    You can lobby against future investigations, but you can't lobby to avoid current investigations. Once the FTC brought up their investigation Google hired lobbying groups to prevent more investigations from coming up.

    The lobbying groups they hired did not impede the efforts of the investigation or skew anything. There are no anti-trust violations here, as nice as it would be if there were.
     
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    I don't know where you get your information from, but it's complete and utter bullshit. Whether an investigation is active or not has no bearing on who and how a company may spend its lobbying dollars. Granted, some politicians may want to avoid a company under investigation. But others, such as Congressman Polis, were quite clear that they would seek to limit the FTC's regulatory authority if they pursued action against Google.

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/congressman-warns-ftc-leave-google-alone/

     
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    Damn I wish I was so naive again. In Washington money talks and if you think a phone call from big clout in the legislative or executive branch telling the Judicial branch to squash an investigation couldn't happen you're mistaken. Log rolling is an old Congressional term that happens every single day with little regard to right or wrong, legal or illegal. It jumps Congressional branches easily.

    Remember it was the Federal Government that tossed homemaker Martha Stewart in jail for doing what Congressmen do everyday. Waco was set up as a propaganda, made for TV, simple ATF bust until things got out of hand and the US Government burned the place to the ground with little regard for the women and children in the compound. Those aren't conspiracies those are facts.

    Thousands of tragedies in our Federal Government history caused by principals and laws being overlooked or tossed aside to fill some pockets with money. I won't even touch all the illegal crap done to the American Indians by our Federal Government. That shit just makes me sick to think how callous our Government could be to fellow human beings.

    To believe money didn't squash the FTC investigation is silly. Microsoft did it several times with civil courts finding that Microsoft truly did break anti-trust laws and rewarded Microsoft competitors with boatloads of cash. Our Federal Government couldn't find the same conclusions many civil courts found of Microsoft anti-trust operation. Ummm, wonder why?
     
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    Yeah I think he's missing the point. Which is that the lobbying isn't above the board, its under the table. You got enough pissed off congressmen calling you, you tend to drop investigations.

    +1 KMVCable
     
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    I've heard from many sources that the American government MIGHT HAVE had some involvement there... The American government is stuffing up the rest of the world through CORRUPT ACTIVITIES on Wall Street, in conjunction with the elite banking organisations. They would rather bail out criminals than put their citizens first. Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the US and the rest of the world have been doomed to the biggest economic collapse witnessed by the civilised world. The big banks, in turn with the government, make obscene profits from things like war - it is pretty sick that the economy of a nation, let alone the world, is based on things like this. No country will ever pay off their debts - the banking system continues to rape peoples wallets every day, and pushes loan advertisements in their faces.

    Anyway, back to the original topic... The U.S government seems to be very corrupt, and together with the even more corrupt banking system, there is every chance they could have had involvement in 9/11 - yes, Al Qaeda was found to have committed the atrocious acts of terrorism, but then again, nobody decided to look at all avenues possible. When 9/11 happened, I was in high school and I had no idea about the economy etc and just assumed it was Al Qaeda - now I have seen financial collapses all over the world since then and have begun to wonder :what if"...

    Have a look at the video in my signature, it may go for 3 hours but it provides some really eye opening information about the economy (with a mention about 9/11). I really hope that the U.S government had no involvement - if anything, it will be the bankers playing with their minds like puppets and giving them all sorts of ridiculous instructions.
     
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    Actually Google agreed to change a number of their business practices http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/01/google.shtm

    And the real villain here is Microsoft. They've been engaged in dirty lobbying since about 1999, and brought all this heat on Google with fake advocacy groups they sponsor like Fairsearch. MSFT even hired Mark Penn to run smear campaigns against Google (remember "Scroogled?") to try to generate public resentment.
     
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    Now that the dust has settled, more detailed accounts of this investigation are coming out.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100353444

    Maybe the whole FTC investigation was a mistake. It's seems like business as usual in Washington D.C. to me. :D
     
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    Sounds like Big O say squash it and away it went.
     
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    Money talks baby....

    This should be in the lounge!

     
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    The possibility that FTC 's case was weak evades us? :D

    According to assphuck 's own quotes, "Google spent $13.1 million on lobbying in the first three quarters in 2012".

    Is that how much you think the integrity of your own government is worth assphuck? A couple tens of millions? Really? :)