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Discussion in 'Joint Ventures' started by valwardon, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. valwardon

    valwardon BANNED BANNED

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    Hello ladies and gentleman today I am going to give each and everyone of you the opportunity to not only promote your affiliate product or personal website I am going to give you a free copy of my next BIG HIT :p

    Here is what I ask of you to write a chapter on your area of expertise. You can then in your piece SELL your product at no cost. If your gig is youtube explain how they can make money using youtube and then send them through your affiliate url to purchase some tube software. How simple is this ?

    This is a potential for everyone to make money who is involved. I can NOT make this any simpler. If you have a question feel free to ask!
     
  2. gifmore

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    :) This is a great idea.

    Eventually, this "book" consisting of the compiled chapters can be made in hard copy print and sold on Amazon and even in bookstores.

    Any chance you'd accept chapters that are ghostwritten and I'd slap my name on it :p ?
    (It's a serious question, thought).

    Would also love to hear more about your strategy regarding this idea, i.e. in terms of longer term marketing and back-end building.

    Thanks, Val. :)

    Cheerio :)
     
  3. valwardon

    valwardon BANNED BANNED

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    Yeah that would be good as well.

    I was talking to small town boy as well about it and I think I should clarify a couple things.

    I will let you have one Affiliate link in your copy. And a link to your website in your bio which would appear right after your copy *chapter*

    I will start this out at the WF and then later I will use the proceeds and see how well it converts then have a website designed and set it up for clickbank just to attract some affiliates. Out of all honesty I stem too loose more than I will make. It is a risk in which i will most happily take. As this will be my first BIG project. Gives me a great grounding. As you may well known I have become known for my works at WF. To be honest WF is such a small market compared to the big sea.

    So lets all KICK SOME ASS and make some money:)
     
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  4. gifmore

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    Hey valwardon,

    Thanks for posting more information.

    :) Forgot to ask some of the more important stuff:

    a) What will your next big hit (i.e. your book) be about (BH marketing, Online marketing, traffic generation etc.) ? I read your thread where you offered 2 of your BH ebooks to members at BHW but I probably shouldn't assume that all your work will be on BH marketing ;)

    b) Did you have some sort of time schedule for this (e.g. your book is being completed in 1 week or 3 months etc.) ?

    c) I didn't quite understand what you meant when you said "I will start this out at the WF .... ". Did you mean that once your book with your co-authors' content is ready, you will then sell the book in WF?

    Thanks, valwardon :)

    P.S. You can always "persuade" your co-authors to do some marketing of the book and earn some affiliate commissions too ;) ?
     
  5. valwardon

    valwardon BANNED BANNED

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    At first I will sell it as an ebook on the Warrior Forum WSO- Warrior special offer.After which it will slowly upgrade as it goes.

    The general theme is going to be blackhat income . My main sell point on this will be selling it as The biggest minds in the BH industry got together for just this one ebook. you know typical sales copy type of thing.

    I was actually planning on launching version 1 in about a week. What version one is going to be is a rough draft with just the info in it that you guys write.

    Version 2 will be fluffed up and have a forward and conclusion by me. Which in it self will be lengthy.

    As I have said once it is all drawn up both version one and version 2 all authors will be able to view the material freely.

    I am wanting to revolutionize how this is being done. I think this will be HOT. Why? The advice of a multitude of people and just the fact that is BH. What can be better?

    Think about your conversion as well when you write. If you are wanting to sell something youtube related Right about something youtube. It would not make since to write about something else. Anyone have any questions how they can make money with this idea and a HUGE amount of money let me know. I will tell you.

    Only thing you need is half a brain and an affiliate product or a website.
     
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  6. Nick Flame

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    So let me get this straight.... you want us, "the biggest minds in the blackhat industry" write each of us a chapter for your ebook - for free- so that you can sell it off at warrior forum and then later on at clickbank?

    And what is the risk you are so willing to take? The risk of making too much money on the back of us giving you free quality content for no cost?


    Well, you DEFINITIVELY want to revolutionize things. So far people were writing ebooks and sold them at warrior forums, now you came with a INNOVATIVE idea - getting US to write the content for you so that YOU CAN SELL it off. It's really brilliant. If you manage to pull a scam like this here, i think blackhatworld is truly dead and can change its name to stupidhatworld.


    Just send them for free to blackhatworld where they can read all the threads.. for free... duh...
     
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    The thread made somewhat of a sense until this :
    ...and then this :
    I simply don`t understand. Are we supposed to make money solely from posting an aff link on your blog?
     
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    I thinks he means you can add your affiliate link of a product you choose into your section so that when he sells it people will purchase from your link.
     
  9. valwardon

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    Scam? If you can not sell a product Nick how does that have anything to do with me? I am offering a chance for people to sell there damn product in my ebook. I am not trying to scam anyone.

    If you had a question you could have just asked instead of directly attacking me and accusing me of scamming. That is the way of BHW now days to directly attack someone and accuse them of scamming instead of asking for more details on something that perhaps I did not explain well enough? It appears to be.

    I actually thought you where better and smarter than to falsely cry scam. Such a shame someone you look up to is no better than the rest of the pack starting senseless shitlist threads. I am truly disappointed.

    You are correct.
     
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  10. Nick Flame

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    Ok, scam was a pretty strong word.Rip off is better. I understood exactly what you meant.

    You want to trick newbies into writing chapters for your ebook, in the hope that they will make some money from the affiliate link. I have no problem with that. You can make money off stupid people, it is not my job to defend them. If they are dumb enough to do that, they they probably deserved to be taken advantage of. I have always been comfortable with morally grey.

    What i found it offensive, was that you actually thought that some of the experienced blackhatters here will fall for this trick. THAT would really make us look like a bunch of stupid people.

    And please, do not use the name blackhatworld in relation to your stupid ebook. I was a mod here and i am an old member, and some of us worked pretty hard to build a name for bhw in the beginning. So i am not comfortable with the stupid idea of selling an ebook full of affiliate links in the warrior forums that would somehow connect to blackhatworld.
     
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    Sorry to thread jack but that's a nice quote from Heroes.:)
     
  12. Nick Flame

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    Indeed it is, by HRG. I was planning to say that i was always comfortable with blackhat, but that line was really great in the movie and it really came to my mind.
     
  13. lewi

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    Val nice idea but it wont work.... certainly thinking outside the box... what you would have to do is give every contributor a % of the income (not profits) for it to work and still people would be skeptical and noobs would want to jump in and sell a clickbank product they have never used...

    In theory its great... in practice it fails before its even begun...

    Lewi
     
  14. valwardon

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    You have everything all wrong. i am not trying to trick anyone . Everything is out in the open. Who are you trying to defend. I am not trying to get over on anyone. I actually even got this idea from a book I believe it was multplie streams of income . In which he released a book from various authors from the WF in return for them being aloud to promote in his book.

    There is no one trying to take advantage of anyone. What are you talking about? This is all on the up and up. This is the most bazaar damn thing ever. I do not understand where you even THINK I am trying to rip off anyone . PLEASE show me because I do not even know where the hell there is a rip off going on here.

    To some this may be a GREAT deal if you know how to utilize the opportunity. While others may think it is worth more work than the return. That is a choice in which they make. NOT I. If they can SELL there program and get a good return and have experince doing this this is GREAT advertisement. As good if not better the Ezine articles. As the probability that someone who reads the ebook will buy your product because you can show them how to MAKE MONEY with it will be quite HIGH.

    Nick I think you are misunderstanding me . I really am not trying to pull the wool over anyone eyes. I am not trying to SCREW anyone. I am purposing a LEGIT opportunity.

    If you fail to see the BENEFIT of what i am offering I truly apologize as it is right out there in the open.

    Also I go out of my way on a daily basis to try to help at least one person here. I am not the type to try to fuck someone over. This really is a good opportunity.

    Please do not feel as if I am trying to argue with you as I am not. I am trying to show you on my end my thinking. Where the idea originated from. How this will work.
    I am just trying to do something new thanks Lewi. Looks like I am an EVIL SOB for trying to think up a new way of me doing things.
     
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  15. lewi

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    People here think scam on everything they see because they are using unethical blackhat tactics themselves on other people....

    WF members don't but when they are scammed you WILL pay for it even more than you would here....

    Lewi
     
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  16. Nick Flame

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    Simply put. You take other people's content, make an ebook, you sell it on warrior forum, and you keep all the cash.

    This is like someone collecting the best threads in the bhw, make an ebook and sell it on dp, and keeping all the cash from himself.

    Of course, you would say, but hey, he will get visitors to his affiliate link. Really? how many visitors? I will tell you : at least 100 times less visitors than if he was going to the warrior forum, and offering his ebook with his affiliate links in it for free.

    You want to do something fair? Create the ebook and give it away FOR FREE such that it will get MORE EXPOSURE and more people will get a chance to find customers for their affiliate link. If your purpose is to ensure that everyone contributing gets a fair reward for his work, why limit the ebook to only those people that pay you cash?

    Second, sell the ebook and split the profit to all those who contributed. That seems pretty fair isn't it?

    But you will say, hey, how about me, i need to put some food on my table tonight, that is why i am making this ebook after all. Well, since you are the editor, you can write for yourself more chapters with affiliate links, so that you will get more chances to make commissions. Also, you will be keeping the email list of all customers, and can market to them afterwards.

    I was also bothered by the fact that you said, yes it's ok to steal someone else's content and put your affiliate link in there. This will lead to newbies ripping of bhw best thread to put their affiliate links in there and sell it on warrior forum.

    Also, if you use bhw name for this ebook, it will become a hilarious situation:

    "BHW experts put together their best techniques and tricks and ... are selling a 7$ ebook on Warrior Forum"

    I understand that you, new folks , have been raised up in the warrior forum culture, but if you have been born on bhw, you would have realized the hilarious in that sentence.

    BHW has been known in the beginning to be the first forum that explains how to make money WITHOUT SELLING EBOOKS TO OTHERS about how to make money. And this is why it had such a big impact. Because all warrior forums, and dp teaches you is to make an ebook, find stupid people, and sell to them.

    Blackhatworld is different. Was different i meant. And this is all i had to say. I am not going to get into a fight with you anymore.
     
  17. small_town_boy

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    I think Valwardon's intentions are sincere as I have had good business with him before and he never "ripped me off" although he had the chances.

    I guess the post just didn't turn out well and raised some red flags. Well, big deal, life goes on :)
     
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  18. valwardon

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    Actually thank you Nick as you did give me an idea. I have someone who I am working with who is an author and we will do a direct split.

    I have no clue where you thought I said about ripping off someone else though . I did agree that they could use a ghost author which a ghost writer I myself sometimes do. Ghost Writer= Write content for someone else for them to slap there name on. I write for authors on occasion myself so they can slap there name on it and call it there own. That is not stealing as I gave them permission to do so.

    This was an idea any way it goes and you just misunderstood things is all. I am not sure if it was because you do not know me or what. But you misunderstood me none the less.

    I still would like to thank you for helping me to come up with a better idea. Me and this other author are going to essentially write in areas in which we have expertise then compile it together make a few videos and see what we come up with. Splitting everything 50/50.

    Much better idea as then the content would be easier to control and the ebook would not appear as a big spam fest. Which a spam fest as you know would give the end reader a negative experience .
     
  19. gifmore

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    :) This thread is fantastic! There are a great many ideas hidden in the content in this thread, especially for developing a JV project.

    While there are differences in opinion between val and Nick, I believe there are good intentions behind their posts. In fact, with a little bit of "negotiation" and work-around, a win-win arrangement can be had for everyone ;););).

    For example, Nick made a great suggestion where the ebook could be distributed "free" so that the contributing authors get greater exposure and traffic. I figure valwardon might say, yeah, but I'll lose profits. However, perhaps there is much greater value in using the free ebook as a free lead generator to build a list, and then reap the profits from the backend (with your own products and services...maybe some sort of membership site)?

    The other suggestion by Nick was to split the profits with the contributing authors, which is also a great idea. Both these suggestions better address "what's in it for me, as the co-author?" a whole lot better. Another variation to this might be to give Master Resell Rights to all contributing authors, who can then take the compiled product to make some money and/or generate leads. Again, there's good potential for more profits on the back-end, perhaps.
    (Oh, but don't screw it up the way Joe Kumar did with his 30 days to IM Success where he promised limited Master Resell Rights to a select few but ended up selling a gazillion resell rights to many other people :p)

    Err.... valwardon, so your original offer is off or does it still stand :p ?

    Err..hope you don't mind my babbling here ... :)

    Cheerio :)

    :flame: :flame: :flame:​
     
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