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Fraudulent PayPal Payments

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by bigpurpleguy, Dec 26, 2010.

  1. bigpurpleguy

    bigpurpleguy Junior Member

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    I have two payments today, one for $262.50 and one for $490.00, both by people I have never talked to.

    One has been put on hold by PayPal, the other one looks fraudulent because the guy doesn't seem to speak English very well but claims to be named Michael McGuire.

    This is the first I see this, my product is intangible and easy to use and then dispute the charge.

    Anybody else seeing this type of thing lately?
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  2. xoxxx

    xoxxx Regular Member

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    Expect 50% of intangible sales on paypal to be fradulaent.
    Nothing you can do about it, get over it or switch to another processor..
    sorry but paypal is gay as can be.

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  3. bigpurpleguy

    bigpurpleguy Junior Member

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    Yeah, I expected that, but it hasn't turned out that way.

    2 months in only one small dispute, no straight up fraud until today.

    Me: Hi Mr. Wagner, did you need these all at once or over a period of days?

    "Mr Wagner": I'm waiting for them in 6 hours.

    Me: Do you mean you need them all today?

    "Mr. Wagner": Sure,I paid all the accounts today.


    Not exactly a corn-fed gringo.
     
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  4. xoxxx

    xoxxx Regular Member

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    Tip of advice..

    Go to a law office, and promise them 90% profit for your case.
    Tell them to write a cease and desist letter to the paypal member..

    Saying something like:
    If they are from the USA and see this letter, they will 75% of the time shit their pants and close the claim..


    If that doesnt work,
    Send a follow up letter:
    This will get like 90% of user to cancle their fradulent claim.
    ONLY if they are in USA, if they are in other countries, just wait, all you can do.
     
  5. bigpurpleguy

    bigpurpleguy Junior Member

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    I didn't send them jack squat.

    I know they are foreign a$$holes trying to get something for nothing.

    How can I screw them before they screw someone for real?
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  6. GoldenTiger

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    Don't. There isn't much you can do to "screw" them, since the funds are fraudulent anyways. Even if they get banned, they will just use another fraudulent account/payment method. Just refund them the money and say that you refuse to provide service due to suspicions of the order being fraudulent.

    In the future, you may want to implement some type of phone verification and give a quick call to anyone ordering something over $XXX amount. Of course, anyone can get a Skype phone with a USA number, but you can look up their "address" on Google street view and ask questions like: what color is your house, what is the closest intersection, who is the mayor of your city, etc. A real buyer with legit info will be able to answer that, a foreign scammer will be like "uhh.... uhhh whaaat? mee no understaaand???".

    Or even better, for big orders, send them whatever digital item they are ordering on a physical media, like a cheap usb stick or even printed on a paper by registered mail with signature mandatory. That should give you some protection as there is proof that it was delivered.