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Four letters domains are up for graps

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cobra, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. cobra

    cobra Registered Member

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    I did a scan and found these domain just became available:
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    wqav.comxzvb.comyevq.com 
     
  2. robvegas626

    robvegas626 Newbie

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    Why are these domains of value? Maybe because Google prefers the shortest domain names possible? Ok, but it's not like they contain any keywords for anything...
     
  3. Spanic

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    How did you do that "scan"? With some software?
     
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    They are of value because the last of the four-character .com's were registered several years ago. Supply and demand, supply and demand. Look around - mozy.com is advertising on TV, that's one example of a four-char that isn't a real word being used in a pretty high-profile way.
     
  5. J0kerz

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    Yep but mozy seems like a word...

    wqav.com, xzvb.com, yevq.com Are not likely to me remembered.
     
  6. haxorzspain

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    well yevq could cause that sounds like yuck... :) haha.. but yeah.. not really THE domains...
     
  7. cobra

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    Well, I only can let you know what is available. And of cause, the good once I keep for myself :)
    Here some more for you:
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    juqj.comeoqy.comvjnx.com
     
  8. GreyWolf

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    The whole idea of four letter domains being valuable simply because there aren't many left is such a crock. Good four letter domains maybe, but random characters it just doesn't hold up.

    I actually wanted a four letter domain because it is the abbreviation of another domain of mine. Someone had bought the domain simply because of the idea that there valuable. He wanted a ridiculous price of a few thousand dollars. He eve sent me some google search data trying to justify it. It didn't take much looking to see how faulty the logic was in how he was determining the value. I offered him 20 bucks. lol. but he turned it down. I went with my next best choice and worked to build a site that gets some traffic. Its now 2 years later and the 4 letter domain still was never sold.

    Unless a domain has already been built up and drawn a lot of traffic it really isn't worth much. If it is a valuable name, like sell.com, food.com, cars.com or something like that, then it could be worth paying more. Maybe even letters that are used for radio or tv call letters. But for all the rest? You're better off buying a $10 or less domain with a decent name. Either way it will take a lot of work to make it valuable, no sense in paying a premium for something before the work is done.

    Take one of those random letter domains, put up a site get it indexed, build backlinks and get consistent traffic coming in then maybe it will be worth something. But even then only if you do all that work in a niche that might have some value.
     
  9. hardcore1

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    These domains are not keywords and also have no brandability. Worthless.
     
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    build a catchy acronym using the 4 letters.

    or just leave it as is and make a brand out of it, like xkcd

    or re-sell them at a really high price to people who believe they're worth a lot

    or turn it into a url shortening service

    lots of possibilities...
     
  11. Sid_who

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    All domains are taken up... And interesting point to note is one buyer has listed vjnx.com for sale and is available to be bought at about 5000$ only !! now thats buy less and sell high.. !!
     
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    What's the best website to list recently expired domains?
     
  13. -Joe-

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    Why are people saying these domains have no brandability? For example, zxvb could have been a visual basic tutorials site, Zx VB. I would have bought it if it hadn't already been taken up by godaddy. It's easy to type, as both sections are 2 letters next to each other, and it's short and moderately memorable. All it takes is a little thinking outside the box.
     
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    ZXVB would have been alright with it being in a line but the domain was XZVB - there is no "flow".
     
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    Is this a retorical question?
     
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    I'm interested too, might wanna register a 4 letter domain name ;)

    eoqy.com has been regged today :(
     
  17. GreyWolf

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    Absolutely right, but you will have to create the branding yourself. Until that's done the domains are worthless. Why pay thousands of dollars for something that you could just as easily do with a $10 domain. The value of those random letter sites will only be whatever you put into it.
     
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    Most of the domain selling websites have a section where you can search for recently expired, or soon to expire domains. Network Solutions and for sure Name Dot Com does. I'm sure if you look around on godaddy or any of the others websites you'll find the same thing.
     
  19. biks

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    HEAVY SIGH - No it's not a fucking rhetorical question. Here's the deal:

    I've searched hundreds of keywords at this point, trying to find ones that match an available domain. *MOST* keywords that had great numbers (low competition in the SERPS, high search counts) had their respective domains already taken. *MOST* of the choice .com domains are just parked domains.

    I've got a folder of hundreds of potential keywords that don't have an available domain. (.com/.net/.org) No, I'm not using a dash or a .info. I've now put ALL of my latest sites within the top 3 pages of Google upon indexing and ALL get over 15,000 searches a month. I know what the fuck I'm doing with this. No, I don't feel taking a random domain and making it an authority site by hammering tons of links to it.

    Getting the exact keyword domain puts you at the head of the line. <- Noobs, read this. (I've wasted the past year of my life making websites that didn't rank.)

    Thus, I want to see if someone has let an expired domain "bubble up to the surface". I'm gotten pretty good at just looking at a keyword and knowing if it's got potential, without even looking up it's numbers.

    Again: What's the best website to list recently expired domains?

    OK, I'll take a look at these.
     
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  20. GreyWolf

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    People like to throw the term supply and demand around a lot. lol
    *Here is an analogy for supply and demand.*
    Tomatoes are regularly sold for a reasonable price. One season there is a freeze or something and the tomatoe crops suck, and so the supply is low but the demand is still there. So the price goes up, because the growers, shippers etc still need to make their money, and the demand is there so they can get it.

    *OK Sounds great so far.*
    Because of the weather the crop that came in produced smaller and less desireable tomatoes, they can still get a better than normal price because the demand is still there and it is all there is. Not as much as they could have if they were still large plump tomatoes during the shortage, but still a premium price none the less.
    That all sounds great, so people love to shout 'supply and demand'.

    *There is one more really important thing to consider.*
    There has to be a market for supply and demand to matter. The fruit that are crushed, spoiled and moldy still don't have any value, even during the shortage. The farmers are still going to throw those out. In other words the crap is still crap.


    These random 4 letter domains are the crap of supply and demand economics. The only real market for these 4 letter domains is buying them for selling to noobs that don't really understand what they're doing. Thats really sad because they are starting so far behind the game that way. Those thousands of dollars could be so much better spent by purchasing a decent domain name for $10 or less and spend the rest of the money promoting it right. There might be an occasional company that needs a domain that is an acronym of their name or something. But for the bulk of the domains are being marketed to buyers with the pitch that they're valuable simply because they are four letters.

    They might be worth getting at $10 and then doing a lot of work to give them value yourself, but they aren't worth paying thousands, or even hundreds for just because 4 letter domains are in short supply. Find me a 4 letter domain like cars.com, soda.com, sexy.com or something like that then you'll have something valuable worth paying a premium for.

    Yes that's true and if you look you can find many more than just the one. For one thing mozy has a ring to it like a real word, but the real value of that domain, is because of the TV advertising (which isn't cheap) and all the other work they've done to promote their business. Without all that work mozy.com still wouldn't be worth thousands of dollars. The name didn't make the domain valuable, the work put into building the domain is what gave the name value.

    Well that is just some more flawed logic! The domain vjnx.com was purchased and is now up for sale for ONLY $5000??? LOL. Well that's great. It still isn't an example of buy low and sell high. They have to sell it first. Offering it for sale and selling it are two different things. Maybe they will find a rube to buy it, but untill that happens, they just have a domain that they probably overpaid for.
    Kudos to you biks. This is the best piece of advice for noobs on this thread looking to buy a domain. The better the domain is relevant to your keywords or niche, the less work you will have to do to make it relevant.

    I'll see if I can find the emails from when I was pitched a ridiculous price on a 4 letter domain, so I can post it here to show the flawed logic in the sales pitch.
     
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