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For those that have f/t (40 hr a week) "Real-life" jobs, many hrs a day do u spend on IM?

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  1. freckletone

    freckletone Regular Member

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    and is it enough? And aren't you exhausted from your real life job? I work 8-5 and my real life job is also internet marketing but I am so exhausted at the end of the day that it's hard to work on my own projects. I moved closer to work now so my commute is around 6-7 min... However I'm still drained...

    Btw, I don't count working 9-5.... I'm talking about 8-5... that's the real "hardcore" working hours... a full 8 hours of work, excluding lunch...
     
  2. teeniegenie

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    I put in a 50 hour work week at my day job and another 3-4 hours on top of that doing IM each day. I'm working towards dumping the day job in the next 24 months but it will be tough to do because my income is high with what I'm doing during the day (six figures)...You can do both, I'm living proof of that.
     
  3. freckletone

    freckletone Regular Member

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    50 hr week is worse than me, I admit. Do you find spending 3-4 hrs a night on IM enough to see results or do anything?

    Working 40 hrs a week is hard (even though it's mainly sitting behind a desk all day for me). I have to wake up at 7am in the morning and it's a long day from there on. There seems not to be enough time for IM at night! I get home probably around 5:15-5:20 and if I sleep at 11pm, technically that's more than 5 hrs... It just still doesn't seem like enough time! Plus sometimes I need a break...
     
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  4. teeniegenie

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    I'm making several thousand dollars a month right now from my part-time IM efforts. I know there are plenty of guys here who will laugh at that amount but considering I really got serious about this stuff last summer I'm happy with the progress I've made. I am working towards this year being big, much more than a few grand a month!

    This has been said a lot around here before but you can't quit! You'll run into countless obstacles as you learn and find your way but there are always solutions. One thing that helps me is outsourcing. With my daytime job income I can afford to pay for a lot of the services I need done. That has been a lifesaver for me so far.

    Don't give up and read around on this site like crazy!!
     
  5. freckletone

    freckletone Regular Member

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    Thanks! I won't give up! The thing is that I've actually done this before (juggled a day job with IM) when I was in my twenties. Back then I was doing adult and dabbled with freesites and I didn't start making money until I started doing galleries. During my best years I was making over $10k a month from porn galleries!! Then slowly things just got worse and I didn't innovate but kept doing the same thing (galleries). It was mainly because of the tube sites; too much free porn and one wanted to sign up for anything; it was terrible! I became so broke I was forced to get a job!

    So now my dayjob is white hat SEO at a company (we do nothing blackhat at all). At night it's reading up on BHW and mixing it up for my own stuff. It's harder doing it for myself than for clients at work...
     
  6. krzysiekz

    krzysiekz Senior Member

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    It is harder to do it for yourself because at work you get paid to do it. Right now you probably have not seen any money doing it for yourself so the motivation is not there.

    I think once you start to see a trickle of profit being made, you'll get some motivation and ramp it up when you're at home. You say you're drained from work, and that's probably right. But if you're anything like me, once you see something is working, no matter how drained you are you'll keep trying.
     
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    If you do WH stuff professionally, BH is going to seem hard because it pretty much is. I tried to keep BH income after I started consulting but over the years it's just lost more and more of its appeal. Not even specifically blackhat, just anything affiliate related. You work for a client and you've got no problem generating boatloads of insurance leads but you try to compete as an affiliate and you can't compete even if you have the same budget you use for clients.

    The big thing for me is that if I actually "work" on my own time I want it to be towards longer term passive income, not some of what passes for effective BH these days.
     
  8. Realign02

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    I'm no longer working a FT-40-hour-week-job, but....

    When I did I worked anywhere from 50-60 hours per week, usually from 5AM to 3-5PM depending on how busy we were. Sometimes weekends.

    While doing that I would come home and hit IM for at least 3-4 hours EVERY single night. I worked my ass off while my friends were downtown getting drunk.

    Sure I felt pissed off that they were having a good time, but because of my hard work they are now the ones asking me for work and I'm going down town to party :)

    It's possible, just don't EVER give up. Persistence is the key to success. Dreams -> Failures -> Lessons Learned -> SUCCESS.
     
  9. Jesperj

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    I work from 5Am, to 4Pm everyday except saturday and sunday on my RL Job. I then watch a little tv when i get home, cook some food for the wife, and then i go to my computer for around 4-5 hours. Usually i go to bed at midnight.

    Sometimes i also get up in the middle of the night or an hour or so before i usually do in the morning to talk to clients from around the world.


    But yes, im exhausted like hell, i can barely drag myself down to the bed sometimes, but by working so much in RL, i have enough money to put in 2000-3000$ into my projects every month, which have kick started my IM Career a lot i think. To this day i have been in IM for 6 months, and generating 3-digits $ a day.

    Once im confident that the income is steady, its bye bye RL Job.

    Gl with your projects
     
  10. caneman

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    1 to 3 depending upon if i have a specific project i am working on or just doing maintenance
     
  11. freckletone

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    Why do you think that is; why is it more difficult to compete on an affiliate versus doing whitehat type of work for clients?
     
  12. $ThisIsTheLife$

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    My goal is making 100k year

    I meet that quota a year everything is lovely and will always be lovely

    Having a job 0_o

    No thanks i wouldnt care even if I made another 50k with a job still would'nt fcuk with it

    defeats the point of IM..... My own boss
     
  13. madoctopus

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    I don't have a job but used to for about 2 months and this is what I can recommend.

    1. Don't work if you're tired and can't focus. You're just wasting time.
    2. Work on your stuff before you go to your job. Wake up early so you get to work 2 hours for yourself before going to your job. This might affect your efficiency at your job during the second part of the day. It's a choice you have to make.
    3. Sleep more. If you don't sleep 8 hours minimum, start doing it. Studies show that sleep deprivation has a huge negative effect on your brain's function. The more you sleep the faster and better your mind works. You don't necessarily have to sleep 8 hours at once (though is best). You can break it up in 2 sessions of 4 hours each for example.
    4. Take naps. They can do wonders with your mood, mind and focus. After you come from work, you can eat something and then take a nap. The longer the better, but obviously you don't want it too long. It doesn't matter if you don't fall asleep, just lay there and relax for at least 30min. You'll still recharge. Ideally sleep a good hour. Remember that it takes time (more precisely, at least 21 consecutive days to record this as a new habit in your brain and start to adapt to it and do it on auto-pilot).
    5. Healthy lifestyle. From food to workout. I don't do this, but I wish I did. I know I miss a lot because of it.
    6. Sun! The more time you spend in the sun the less you will sleep (naturally, not forced) and you will rest better.
    7. If you wake up tired, eat before going to bed. Not something heavy or too much but something like fruits, even meat. Usually you wake up tired because your body starts to consume your muscles because its hungry.
    8. Fruits. Banana, coconuts, pineapple - my favorites, as they provide a lot of energy. All those in a blender or juicer - drink 2 glasses of that and it's like you drink dynamite. Do that after you had a 1 hour nap and it's like you just woke up in the morning.
    9. Plan what you have to do in advance. Plan on paper, as a matter of fact think everything on paper. Helps your mind assimilate better.
    10. Think in advance at "problems" or goals or whatever you want to do. Start thinking about it with at least a week before you have to do it if possible. At worse think about it with 1-2 days before. You do not have to think about it as in start planning it, but as in just realizing you have to do X thing in a week. Just focus on that thought for 2minutes. Nothing else. Just that. Your subconscious mind will work on it from then on without you having to think about it. You might think this is bullshit but I swear by it. I never ever start working on something that I haven't thought about with a least a day before. Usually it saves me several hours of waster trial and error because I just magically stumble into the solution while not even looking for it. It's amazing actually.
    11. Stop giving a fuck and have fun. This is actually the most difficult part. Having fun in the process. The more you think about the whole thing from the perspective of money, the need of money, the need of stability, the need of whatever... the shittier you feel. If you just allow yourself to have fun and not take everything seriously all the time and be sober about everything, you will be more relaxed. A thing that worked well for me, but seems is not great for others, was to seriously think about "what happens if..." and "what do i do" - if i don't have a home, if i don't have money, if i can't fuck that girl, if my sites stop making money, if my parents die, if i get in a car accident and loose my legs and my hands, etc. It made me realize that nothing is granted and life is life. You do your best but tomorrow you may die and in the great scheme of things that means nothing. I also realized that except for dying or loosing some body parts, for everything else i can figure out a solution and if something bad happens financially, i can probably manage and still wake up the next day. I also realized that if I really had to, I can live with very little money and if i really have to I am creative enough to make that money in a few days of work. So are you. You're just to stressed and tired to realize it. This is not about "live in the present / carpe diem" crap. You can't just live in the present, you have to have some plans and work towards better. But it is important to understand that you are tiny and huge at the same time and that most fears and problems YOU made up yourself in your mind. All those what if's...
     
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    I am a software dev working 9 - 5 (9 - 6 minus 1 hour lunch) and I still find time for it. The biggest thing about IM for me is the challenge. Even after all these years I get a thrill from seeing my site locking down the top spot in Google for a competitive keyword or a campaign absolutely thriving. The money that comes along with it is great, and creates a new challenge in itself to beat my "best day".

    I work maybe an hour or two a day on various things. Most of my time went into setting things up, and now I just simply maintain it. Every now and then I will get the urge to set something new up or start a new project, So I bust my balls all night getting it all up and running, and subsequent days perfecting it, then I just let it go.

    The best thing about having a full time job and doing everything else on the side is there is no pressure. I get paid fairly well from my regular job and don't need anything else extra.
     
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    Well for one there is tons of competition for affiliate stuff so you're competing with all these other affiliates. And on top of that, as an affiliate you're getting paid a rate that reflects how good an average lead across all affiliates is after the network takes their cut of the lowest price their client could negotiate. Anyone who is actually working for an actual company just has more resources available.
     
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    40 hours at regular work each week. 40 hours IM each week.
     
  17. dgfalk

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    I work 40 hours M-F, 1PM-10PM. Its awesome cause I get to sleep in everyday, Im never tired, and I still get off early enough so I can go out at nights. For IM I put about 10-15 hours a week into it. I try to always come home after work Monday and Tuesdays and put a good 4 hours into it. Then I do a few things here and there Wed-Fri, and I never do anything on the weekends.

    I could work more and earn more but my social life is way more important to me and Im not about to give that up to earn some extra cash.
     
  18. goose8808

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    This is the most refreshing thread I've read on here. I'm just getting started on this whole IM thing, and to be honest its overwhelming. I work about 10-12 hours a day M-F, and I'm going to school (online). The past two-three weeks I've been doing nothing but reading the forums here and soaking up information. The bad part is, now I feel like my head is starting to spin from information overload.

    What I've got to do now is pick something that I want to do, and go with it. Right now my goal is to just make $500 a so a month. Unfortunately with my day job, I'm supporting my girlfriend and myself (she just lost her job which is how I ended up here), so I don't have a lot of money to outsource. I do have one affiliate site that this month made me about 100.00, so that was exciting and motivating, but I don't want to be stagnat at all - I want to do maybe 2 or 3 more projects.

    Anyway - this was a motivating thread. Thanks!

    PS - if anyone wants to give me any pointers, pm me lol.
     
  19. katara

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    sorry for dumb stupid quastion here can you please tell me what is IM and how to work on it?

    how you get jobs online ?

    :eek:
     
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  20. compton13

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    This is your 144th post :eek: