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For those of you who are struggling to rank after the updates...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by kasher9, Oct 18, 2013.

  1. kasher9

    kasher9 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    The new link metrics are clear by google:

    For internal seo:

    Linking to posts you already have

    Adding social accounts

    Adding different types of content: youtube videos,podcasts, engaging content etc, interactive content is now more important than ever

    alt tags, h tags, italics, bold, the overall structure of your content is important again making the content relevant: google reads your whole content now as opposed to just your anchor, make it as relevant to the keyword as possible, lets say you are writing a review for the iphone 5, instead of using iphone 5 review use: "how would you review the iphone 5, what phone do you have" get the users to respond, im convinced your blog comments are being tracked as well. If they see "useful info"as a comment, it can only do well for you :)

    ctr/bounce rate: buy traffic which you can control how long they stay on your page, old school but gold school

    External linkbuilding:

    SOCIAL SIGNALS: big emphasis on this. They want to see that you have a big social presence, get +1s

    Make the web 2.0s you have and let them age, add content on there, and then a month later add your anchors to your money site, googles bots are getting smarter and smarter, dont be a dumbass

    Instead of buying generic seo services, get a seo strategy designed specifically for your niche or do niche related blog posts with relevant info.

    Tag your brand as your name instead of "make money online"

    Do media buys, the alt tags may be nofollow but theyll get you traffic, and traffic from reliable sources looks incredible

    go back to article directories, forget tiered link building, you want to high quality tier 1s and send social signals to themBut

    ultimately no matter what I say or any other so called "seo guru" says its all about trial and error its all well and good moaning about the update but instead of that, research how your competition is at the top.

    If youre trying to rank a local business, use citations and google place reviews. And get your website on local business directories. Many believe this type of linkbuilding is old and doesnt work but it does and ill demonstrate how in a bit.

    Look at their website and their anchors . How many headers have they used, does youtube videos work for your niche.. etc but please guys for the love of god if you want your website to stick, dont do what the rest og the crowd is doing, look at your competitors and research a twist.

    Put your focus on getting to the end user so think of everyone on the net as savvy, do you think a reader is gonna come back if youve got 5 articles on there for the last 6 months. Assume google reads ips, especially if youve got analytics on thrre, they know whos visiting your site. I

    f you know your website is a pile of crap, fix it if youre not going for a churn and burn. I had a client and he had a load of crappy links on there and his website was shit. Hes a plumber in my home town and the first thing I did was I looked at his competitors site. They had 4 backlinks all to business directories yet they were ranking, why? Because their website looked professional, had the right layout, all the content and info was accessible, and they had a namecard, along with place reviews. All I did was fix the clients website up, disavow all the crappy blog comments and get some reviews with some social signals. 2 months time he went from #na to #4.

    You have to linkbuild according to your niche, and ultimately fix those rookie errors youve been "meaning"to fix on your website like the w3 errors.

    I know ill get a lot of seo guys replying on here saying nono what you talk about is nonsense, but as I said, seo is all about trial and error, I think seos now got to realise you gotta know the niche if you want to do seo which will last, and not just have generic packages. For some, that works, but for some it doesnt.


    There is no specific way, id suggest buying a domain, setting it up and trialling different seo methods on there if you dont have the money to buy seo. If it increases in ranks and it sticks, great, 301 redirect that to your money site otherwise the worst thats happened is you lost $10 and time.

    I know this is gonna seem iconic and cringy but michael jordan shot something like 10000 times before he learnt, and hes known to say that from those 10000 times he learnt how not to do it. Similarly, in seo, you might fail but dont give up, try and tryagain :)

    Ultimately, stop focusing on how much you are making now, and start focusing on how much you could be making. Plan for the future not now, and google wont slap you. If you want to know how to make money now,focus on the awesome money making methods that people share in the money making section, use that to pay for rent and bills, and save up and research your chosen niche. Once you have a plan, start on seo

    BTW I thought I would make it clear before I start receiving haters, I'm not posting this because I want to promote my services, I mean it would be great if I get extra clients so I'm not gonna claim that Im a worthless dumbass who doesn't want extra money but the reason I post this is because I'm seeing so many people whining about their rankings falling and similarly, "SEO Gurus" claiming that you need to do this and that in order to rank and I'm just frustrated that people think spending 50 bucks to rank is the end all and be all, planning and trial and error is the end all and be all for SEO, ask anyone who has been in the SEO biz for time and is genuinely doing well.
     
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  2. DamageX

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    You need to find the ENTER key, as well as those for punctuation.
     
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  3. kasher9

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    Haha sorry guys, I edited using my work computer and it completely ruined the formatting. Ironically on my phone it was ok. I fixed it anyway
     
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    Cool. NOW I can actually try reading it. :)
     
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    Very good read, no doubt. Thank you.. I just hope you are an Arsenal fan haha
     
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  6. Danny1111

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    Anyone working day to day in Seo and Websites already knows this.

    Maybe some newer people who haven't bothered to read the Forum yet may find some use for this ... but you should not be writing these posts - as if its a marketing ploy to get you new business .. directly or indirectly.

    If you want to advertise something then get a BST - and make it clear to people what your offering.
     
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    This is why I purposely get my main websites spammed. I strip the spam comments down so that there is no link and then change them to something which is relevant to my article. Not sure if it helps.
     
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  8. kasher9

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    If everyone knew this buddy, why would there be an abundance of "I fell in ranks, what should I do now" related posts. Sometimes people need to be reminded about the basics. Also, why do I see people here talking about tiered link building still working? And why do I see so called proclaimed seo gurus saying that their way is the right way? I didnt once claim my way is the perfect way of seo, so how can you say that im trying to promote my services? Have a look at my posts pal, I give genuine info.

    More to the point when I do niche research, why am I seeing these mistakes being made by people who I presume have some sort access to an im forum even if they dont have an account. Why is it that when I buy seo services here I see these mistakes being made?

    Let me you ask some more questions, why are you promoting your market mongoose seo product here and not using only your rankings in google for clients? And why do you make so many posts, dont tell me thay youre ONLY trying to help someone, otherwise you wouldnt have a signature either :)
    Correct me if im wrong but signatures dont only have to promote bst products, mods if im wrong, post here and ill remove it :)

    ive been on this forum for 4 years now, not once have I had a signature up until now, and almost none of my posts in the last 4 years have been just "thanks" etc, I try and give help wherever I can, for FREE. Do you think ive waited 4 years just to put up a signature promoting my services now?

    im not trying to make any enemies guys im friendly and honest, but lets not kid ourselves, the world is about giving and taking.
     
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  9. erickishere

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    I'm going to have to agree with the social signals. I feel like it helps ALOT with ranking your site. My site has no SEO done on it whatsoever except on page and it went from nowhere to the top 5 pages of google at the moment.
     
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    I was not expecting to see a noval.

    Care to summarize it please?
     
  11. krogertek

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    I think google is trying to make people use more and more of their services with this Hummingbird update. I saw that the author's google+ page matters a lot and also +1's

    And if you want to see keyword data you have to use Google Webmaster Tools... and lots and lots more
     
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    I enjoyed reading your article . I beleive that any post adds some value because we are all doing seo in different ways, so maybe even if you are doing the same way the OP is doing or 99% or the things he said are common knowledge for you, you might find a new idea or one you have never thought of and thus it is still worth reading.

    However, I disagree with you about the second post claiming that tiered linking is not working (that's what I understood). I do know it does. Have you ever tried it and saw no ranking improvements after building your tier1 ?
     
  13. MatthewWoodward

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    my zero link building experiment over the past 14 months would agree with that as well!
     
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    Nice summarize of things. It's all about experiement with different techniques. Having a good keyword diversification with plenty of social signals always help in the long run. Most of the users fails, because of giving up some methods by watching one video from Matt.
     
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  15. kasher9

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    thanks for the kind words and everyone in general
    Fact: it may work for some atm DEPENDING on your niche and competition. Everyone knows googles got manual watchers for keywords like payday loans, tiered linkbuilding gives a pseudo rise in ranks, you just dont know how long it lasts.
    my opinion from experience: googles gonna start digging into your links further, if your web 2.0s are spammed with blog comments, theyll just deindex the web 2.0, and youll lose one of the most powerful tier 1s for seos atm.
     
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  16. mozoak

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    Nice. The pointers about web 2.0s and social signals are very relevant. Have to disagree about the trial and error SEO policy though. There is no need to waste time, effort and money on trialing, when you can get a gold mine of SEO information on any niche right here in the forum. All that is required is proper research and application. As cliched as it sounds "Twisting and Tweaking" existing methods, is what is required.
     
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  17. kasher9

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    Thanks and yeah I mean I tried to refer to that in the thread. Research is key but the problem is alot of the seo methods here are either generic or they may have been used and abused. Thats why I suggest trial and error of different twists,and see which one works.
     
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  19. kasher9

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    Thanks man, but with allll the threads on bhw about people asking/saying, "omg google raped me and I cant get any rankings now, I dunno what to do".. I think research and trial and error for these guys is very important.
     
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    Research is the most important. Most people just made a website fast... placed the link in any of the Link Building Software there is and got ranking for low comp keywords. Now it's not that simple for them any more.
    For people who really know seo it's as simple as always... if not even simpler.. Everything is about quality (even backlinks and social signals)!