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for all reputed bhw members, should we start a search engine by ourself

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by mrxinbollywood, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. mrxinbollywood

    mrxinbollywood Elite Member

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    Hi Friends

    As we know google is major search engine right now.

    I think here in bhw all executive vip, supreme member, senior member, elite member, admin, mods should start a open source search engine.

    we all can contribute a little and we can run it. as we know google earning huge from adword and search traffics, if we all involve in this project, then we all can earn huge.

    I know there a lot of technical difficulties and huge investment required.

    But if any single person from bhw will plan to do then he or she will not succeed, but if we all plan to do, then all technical problems, investment will not be a problem.

    as here in bhw a lot of high skilled programmers their, a lot of good web designers, a lot of good IM persons, a huge numbers of social media persons.

    I must think we should give a try at this concept. and we will definitely get success.

    Please post your valuable opinion here.
     
  2. imperial444

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    It looks like everybody thinks about it since the latest google updates, but nobody takes action...
     
  3. mudbutt

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    bing can hardly compete and theyre pouring billions of dollars into it. what chance do we got?
     
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    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I own a niche search engine and yeah, this cannot happen even if every person here contributes. We would need a minimum of $50 million just to get off the ground. Unless of course we can get Matt Wells on board lol

    But seriously, as someone who owns a niche search engine I can tell you that it is a serious cash sucker (just a few million pages indexed). I have a few thousand users each month and I don't even make enough to cover the monthly expenses.
     
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    Exactly.. :)
     
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    never thought of this consequence!
    humm, how bad the penguin is!
     
  8. mrxinbollywood

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    if that is the case, then when google start its own search engines, then they must invest $50 million in it. I do not think so.

    1) They must invest a very low amount
    2) Gradually they become big and invest money to maintain their website
    3) Why we all can do? because we are from various field with various expertise.
    4) we know all the ways of marketing
    5) we all are experience on seo, IM, web designing, coding parts
    6) Initially i do not think google has all this facility, which we can use right now.
     
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    mangobajito Power Member

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  10. zoyaraymonds

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    The main problem is we know google algos are doing some wrong things but do " google users " know that....I don't think so.
    Users just search in google and they get the results whatever they find and are happy with it. Then why they will switch to another search engine. Even bing n other couldn't succeed is breaking google monopoly........can we do that?????
     
  11. JimmyWong

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    This aint 1998 brah. Forget it, and invent something new and revolutionary. Something better than a search engine....
     
  12. mrxinbollywood

    mrxinbollywood Elite Member

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    when myspace start, no one think that it will get success.

    Then when myspace get success, no body think that facebook will get success. I.e life is go on. Everything is possible. When facebook start at that time it is a very small firm. and google can easily demolish that website as they have money, they have power, but google did not get any success although their own social network orkut looses its popularity. and also they did not able to close facebook.

    So for everyone here is opportunity and we have to think wisely and precisely and we can get success.

    Here in this thread, few peoples already posted that they have their own search engine website and it is very hard to maintain and very hard to run and getting any monetary benefit. But as i said if any single person want then it will be very hard even impossible. But if 50-100 experience members of bhw want , then they will get good success.

    Regarding why a normal users want to change their search engine, it is very obvious that, if our search engine gets mouth marketing, local area marketing, international marketing, then obviously it will get success.
     
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  13. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    I remember when Google started their search engine:
    • The internet was many many times smaller
    • They came in with a fantastic new tool that destroyed all competition by virtue of relevant results (which no one really had until then). This can't be done now obviously.
     
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    Very valid point indeed. Think about it OP.
     
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    They needed no budget because there was literally no competition for what they were doing. Yes there was altavista and aol but Google topped them in a blink of an eye.

    How did facebook start? Did they need millions of dollars for advertising/marketing? NO!
    But if you were to start a new social network today... you won't achieve near 1% of the success facebook got without a multi-million dollar budget - its about hitting the right market at the right time.
     
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    Just think about small company like flippa. No one can break their monopoly so how can be for google search ?

    Bing and other are so far from google so its really bad idea ... just my 2 cent
     
  17. zoyaraymonds

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    You shouldn't compare 2003 with 2013. At that time internet, social network, search engine all were in establishing phase. Now all are well established. Today's market is totally different.
     
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    a search engines isn't only about coding / hosting ... and such ... everything is about branding ... like peoples said up microsoft keep pumping millions on bing / msn / yahoo ... and they never had and never will have same success than google . Why ? ... answer is simple , branding :)
     
  19. theAngle

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    You don't have to be a genius to be a millionaire, you don't need to be unique to be noticed.


    Steal and/or copy some ideas here and there. Create your own business, and make some money.


    An easy example. Apple comes with an amazing idea - the iPhone -, then comes Google with its Android to compete with it, and we all know the rest of the story. Is the Android a cheap copy of the Apple's iPhone? Who cares...It sells, and in our world - it's what really matters.


    A great conception of low investment is that Companies do not want to invest a huge amount of money in any niche without clear understanding that it is going to be VERY, VERY profitable.


    Why Google bought Youtube from its developers? Because it knew that Youtube was an innovative idea, but prior to that, Youtube was already a success when acquired by Google.


    Now check this scenario: Google and Microsoft got very interested in buying the Twitter when it started getting hot. But Twitter refused the deal. However, the point to notice at this scenario is that either Microsoft or Google could create another Twitter (because they got money for it), but why they didn't do that? Simple answer, it would be a huge investment without a clear understanding of a success. And you may ask why that if Twitter was already a success?


    Twitter was a success alone, but to create a new Twitter to compete with the already consolidated brand Twitter would be a huge risk. Companies don't like risk, they like paved roads to ride on.


    The point that I want to get into is that it's needed a good idea to compete with the almighty Google, nowadays. When I mean good idea, I mean a cheap and innovative one.


    For example, the Wordpress. Wordpress was not the first CMS to get into the market, but was the first one in having a simple usable interface engine either to end-users or developers.


    The same with Twitter, with a very simple interface that no one could predict a success. This assumption existed because social media like MySpace used to have a very complex and heavy interface.


    It just proves that with low budget and a good idea you can compete with the big ones.


    To compete with Google it's needed to focus on the holes left by it, take advantage of mistakes to create something amazing and cheap that will be able to bring much more investment, in the future.


    And a very important piece of this puzzle: is a contract listing carefully all the names of everyone involved, to avoid a big fight in court, lol.


    But a fight may happen anyway, lol.
     
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  20. Justenzy

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    Or we could start a different website, something completely different than a search engine. I would be very intrested in getting lots of BHW members to start a website.