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Folks in adult who want to compare notes?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by reallife, Jun 14, 2011.

  1. reallife

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    I've been in adult since the 90s but have only recently started using BH stuff there. Is there anyone in a similar situation there who would be interested in comparing notes?
     
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    I've been in adult from 05-08, switched to mainstream then. I have very old notes :)
    But sometimes old stuff with a new twist works.
     
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    Understandable.
    What I'm really looking to compare notes on, as just one example, is the effect of SB/Xrumer on very aged adult domains or networks - when compared to, for example, buying links, building blog networks, etc. That sort of thing. It seems to be somewhat different than the effects I'm seeing on mainstream. That's why I'm looking for someone who's working on similar things, to build a better knowledge base.
     
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    I've been in adult since 2001 and (blackhat) SEO since about 2004-ish. Did great for a while and still send some adult traffic but with the adult biz like it is now, there's no way I'd get back into it if I was starting from fresh. Adult has too many headaches (apart from the terrible conversions) when there are so many other higher converting, higher profit, and less stress-inducing niches out there.

    Adult is becoming a mature market and there is major consolidation going on... Soon there will be no more affiliate model in adult. All the money will be sewn up by the big companies and they will do almost all their promotion in house.

    The lack of high volume SE spammers in adult is very telling. Most of the big guns left long ago for greener (and more reliable) mainstream pastures. The people who are left are adult webmasters who do SEO, not necessarily people who live and breathe search engines.

    Spam does work well in adult because it's still a wild and unregulated market as far as the SEs go - similar to illegal pharm, anything goes. You can get good or better results with link spamming, but it's conversely harder because adult keywords are trivially easy to block in most CMSs.
     
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  5. ruicosta

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    Yeah, I've never done that...back then I wasn't even aware of that tools (if they even existed.
    From my experience I can say that mainstream sites are generally easier to position. Its probably because adult sites (TGPs and MGPs back then) had almost no text. All on site seo was description and tags. Like all tgp owners, I did my seo with recips on submitted galleries and some backlink buying. Although, our primary source of traffic were trades (long live ATX script).

    For anything further than that...hopefully someone will have relevant info.

    edit: one side question, do today's tube sites use traffic trade scripts any more?
     
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    Nice summary :) I haven't made real money as an adult affiliate since 2004 or so (when Yahoo finally killed off the bulk-free-site-builder model). I've dominated a niche with paysites/VOD/etc. until recently, but even the smaller niches are becoming unviable (is that a word? lol) thanks to tubes, torrents and sharing communities. I have a different take on adult it that's still profitable - but I'm finding that most of my sites in semi-competitive kw areas have all found a ceiling between #13 and #8, whether I hit them with white, grey or black. I'm sure there's a magic ingredient I just haven't found yet - at least I'm hoping so ;)
     
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    Autumn you inadvertently helped me to decide on something, thanks! hah! I have been struggling to decide for a while now whether or not to just let my last lingering adult property go. I knew adult was dead when tube sites hit, but I held on to it because it made me some chump change, more than hosting and domain renewal and it was a funny conversation piece at times. I have known I couldn't sell it on flippa or any other conventional site so I'm just dumping it now lol. Waste of time and energy.

    The OP should think about that, if you were into adult in the 90's (when it was golden), you had it good. Now though, it is a waste of time unless you are a producer of your own product. That is still some good money if you are smart.

    Honestly most linking methods fail miserably in adult, it is a waste of time if you have better things going on. If it weren't for that I would probably make a pay site and bank. :D
     
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    And that's what left some of the scraps left for us free-site builders - the optimization was left on the table for those of us who didn't have tgps :)

    Yes, although the larger tubes, who have the bulk of the traffic, keep most of their traffic within their own networks.
     
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    The domains (several hundred of them) that I used to use for my free site building, are now mainly being used as blogs in order to provide my own sites with links, and to sell links to others. As I mentioned in my answer to Autumn, I have a different take on adult stuff now which is why I'm still looking for the optimal use of BH in adult. I was a producer of my own product for years - and I'm even moving away from that now, since sharing has made that only marginally profitable in my niche.
     
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    Here's a funny twist. I created a fetish tube site 4 years ago and turned it into the #1 site in it's niche and 3 months later I sold it for $20,000. I thought I was rich! Anyway it's worth 10 times that or more now.

    The funny twist is now I'm trying to promote a fetish social site in the same niche and the site that is in my way of success, you guessed it. My old site...

    Damn tube site! What goes around comes around I guess...
     
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    Yeah it's certainly not all doom and gloom... Check out these guys, they are a free traffic company and they run gals4free, 4tube and a bunch of other free sites. They're obviously not doing too badly:
    http://www.dreamstarcash.com/ourOffices.html

    But all in all, if you're in to search engines rather than wanting to do porn specifically, I reckon there are easier ways to make money in 2011.
     
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    Yeah, I dipped my toes into the tube water, but just like with everything I did else in adult, I was way too "ethical" (said with annoyance at myself) to be able to compete. You could still make a very nice living being totally white hat. Now, I just shake my head at what I could have done if I had pulled the stick out of my ass much earlier :p
     
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    Totally right. There's still money to be made. But if you spent a decade doing it as a lone wolf with SE traffic - it sure ain't what it used to be.

    Now I just have to fine-tune some of those "easier ways" before it's too late :D
     
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    Those guys have been around for a long time. If you were to start building adult properties from scratch now it would be much harder.
     
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    Deecash really is buying everything....Twistys kinda broke my heart selling to them.

    Anyway, to the OP, my tactic has been to use a niche that could conceivably be non adult, and set up a site that is clean, with my keyword still in the domain name. Do tons of backlinking, and THEN add adult content. I am even using wp builder theme, and will totally change the look of the site when I get to the first page. My term has 1million exact searches global and 300k local exacts, on page 4/5 2 weeks into it.

    I am building pyramids and blasting those with scrapebox. Or actually using a service to build my some link structures, combined with my own pyramids.


    Think if your term was college girls porn, you could have a site that is about the negative effects of porn on college girls. Then send ALL of the juice to your site that with your anchor text of "College Girls Porn"

    Just my ideas, would love to keep this discussion going.
     
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    there is too much competition and big players in it buying out a lot of the smaller ones lol

    i know twisties was sold recently

    but Search engines for adult is still an open game.. as they are treated differently but as someone mentioned here before.. gettin spam backlinks is hard when your keywords get caught in the filters.. i tried to do something similar in the past couple of months but havnt really gone anywhere with it lol..

    trying to just rank for a few keywords and sell the traffic i get.. atleast that is the plan..
    to get traffic , you must be high on several large keyword searches .. which is the hardest part considering some terms have like 78m page results already lol..

    i kinda feel that although there are so many search result pages and large amount of monthly search volumes
    black hat link building MIGHT work considering.. search engines are a bit relaxed on those..
    but i could be wrong .. only time will tell.. the reason i could be wrong is what if all those pages that currently show up have already done what i am trying to do ?

    but nonetheless goin to keep trying for a year lol wont renew the domain name or hosting for that beyond that hahaha.


    btw..link farms in porn still works.. sites with a lot of content from different tube sites and things.. i have seen some adult farm sites still rank up for a lot of keywords.. so thats what i am trying to do..

    but with the panda update.. i am not sure how the adult content farm sites have been hit .
     
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    Agree on Twisty's - although I don't blame Shap. If someone offered to make all my dreams come true, it would be hard to say no lol.

    Thanks for adding to the discussion - I've actually thought about a similar thing (haven't tried it yet, though) - but what I was thinking of was 301'ing the site afterward. Either way, not sure whether filters would allow *any* keywords that would do an adult site a lot of good; even if you were doing an original site on the negative effects of porn, I don't think you'd get away with the word "porn" in a keyword phrase on any web 2.0 site.

    Let's keep this going...
     
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    I've had link sites that weren't touched - others that were clobbered; I dropped a bunch of ranks on some sites in Panda 1.0 - dropped footer link lists - and came back up somewhat the next month. But one of my most important sites lost its #1 in Panda 1.0 ---- to one of a big-time competitor's inside pages, that was nothing but links. I'm not sure if G is more unpredictable when it comes to adult sites, or if I just notice it more because I have so many more of them.

    At any rate, I've seen immediate short-term results from Xrumer blasts - but they usually haven't lasted more than a week or two. Tried some SB blasts to very aged domains this week, will see what those do.
     
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    Oh I don't blame Shap at all, I just wish it wasn't so cause well, we both know the future of Twisty's

    I thought about the 301 thing, and I think it will work. I also thought about making several pages dealing with modeling, etc that got links from quality 2.0's and after they got good juice linking to my porn blogs.

    One other thought is buy a blog post or two, with the term being something in the grey area as I call it, then build 3 2.0's to it, and scapebox blast those.

    The key to my thinking is coming up with terms that can be both mainstream and adult. Maybe free desktop wallpaper and paint stripping and promote totem cash.