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Flea Problem - Tried So Many Things I Might Shave My Dog Bald...

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  1. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    I worked at petsmart for 6 years in college & always knew fleas were a serious problem.

    But I NEVER realized how serious the problem was until I moved by a large bay (the raritan bay which seperates NJ from NY) and noticed this entire area is rife with fleas. When I use to live more inland, fleas were NEVER a problem. Didn't matter how many pets we had not once did a flea ever get into the house.

    So these last few months I've been testing and researching a lot. Have spoke to vets, pest control experts and all sorts of people.


    What I've noticed?

    Roughly 90% of the "cures" proposed online, on youtube, even in reputable sources like webmd are complete and utter nonsense. I've bought AND tested (control setting) almost a dozen different sprays and chemicals. Hartz Flea & Tick Spray, Off, Flea 4 X, Borax, Diatomaceous Earth, Raid, Sulfur, Baking Soda, etc etc.

    Something that really sprang my interest.... you can find thousands of articles and videos advising the use of many of these substances. But you can't find **1** single article or video that actually shows a flea being exposed to these substances and what happens afterwards. So same way I do my marketing, I decided "why not just test for myself?"

    1) Hartz Flea & Tick Spray - Tetraclorvinphos 1.08% - Claims right on the bottle to "KILL" both fleas and ticks.
    Test - I isolated 3 fleas in a sealed tubberware container, emptied about 10 shots inside so there was a PUDDLE. Came back in 24 hours to see the fleas swimming around in the spray and jumping around in the container hitting their heads against the lid like healthy fleas do. Left them in for 3 days total and not 1 flea died.

    Results - FAILED

    2) OFF - 25% DEET - Claims to "repel" fleas.
    Test- I isolated 3 fleas in tubberware again. This time I sprayed the off on a small cotton ball and threw it in. I observed the container for 3 days and guess what? The fleas actually preferred to SIT on the cotton ball with the DEET, rather than the dry plastic bottom that had NO DEET WHATSOEVER.

    Results - FAILED

    3) Flea 4 X - Fipronil 9.7% - Claims "4 way action to: KILL fleas, ticks & lice". You're suppose to put this on your dogs back.
    Test- Once again. I isolated 3 fleas in tubberware. Emptied enough for a 60lb dog (my dog is 30lbs). Monitored for 3 days and not 1 flea died, got sick or acted weird in anyway.

    Results - FAILED

    4) Borax - Sodium Tetraborate - No direct claims. Many people just say it's a desiccant so it will pull out all the moisture from the fleas and kill them. People recommend dumping this shit all over your home.
    Test- I put about half an inch in the tubberware to cover the whole bottom. Found 3 more fleas & threw them in. Monitored for 3 days and what do you know? All 3 fleas still had a nice shiny coat. None died. They were all healthy like the previous 3 tests.

    Results - FAILED

    5) Diatomaceous Earth - This is finely powdered sea shells - Claim: The fleas will crawl around the "sharp" >>>powder, which will cut open their hard shells and kill them. I equate this to someone saying, "you can kill a human being by making them crawl around in sand" LOL.
    Test- Same thing. 3 fleas added to a container of DE. I randomly inspected the container with a magnifying glass for 3 days. Checked their legs, none were broken or disformed. Checked their shells, no scratches, nothing. No dead fleas.

    Results - FAILED


    I also tried baking soda, vinegar (just a coating cause you can't drown them in your home), sulfur, lemon tea & pure citric acid.

    The ONLY thing that worked as >>RAID.

    I put the fleas in tubberware. Sprayed 1 shot of RAID in there & within 5 seconds they were twitching and keeled over.


    However, RAID is way too toxic for a home. I've bombed my house twice with the less toxic foggers and it takes a RIDICULOUS amount of work to prep then clean afterwards. I realized there is no way I can stop the fleas from getting into my home. I've done the flea baths everyday, they're on my dog again before she even dries.

    I've concluded that the problem is 2 things:

    1) Environment - Even though I've had my lawn treated all I have to do is take my dog for a walk (everyday) and the fleas come from the beach, neighbors yards, the marshland down the road.... every square inch of this town has a flea hiding somewhere.

    2) Dog - I'm not getting rid of my dog lol. But it's got to the point where she is scratching herself at least 12 hours / day. She's become very allergic to the flea saliva and just 1 flea will set her off. Steroids are a no no because I know how they work and it's only a temporary fix. Topical cortisone does nothing and neither does benadryl.

    My last option is a prescription pill called "Comfortis" (spinosad).

    From what I hear, you just give the dog 1 tablet and it lasts for a month. What bothers me, it's a pesticide. So instead of spraying pesticides on my dog and all over the house, now she'll just be eating them. If a flea bites the dog, the flea dies immediately. And that's some freaky shit. I read about the side effects, vomiting, nausea, siezures, etc..... has anyone tried something like this before?

    I think if I'm gonna resort to feeding my dog pesticides... maybe it would make more sense to just shave her bald?

    Apparently fleas don't like humans cause they have nothing to grab onto. And I'm thinking if I shave her hair down to the skin, yes she'd look like a freak, but it would make it 1000xs easier to identify and brush off the fleas. Plus the topic solutions might work better since they'd have direct contact with her skin. What do you people think?

    -BB

    ps. I should clarify something. Which is the fact that I ran all these tests AFTER testing them on my dog. I was suspicious they weren't doing anything which is why I started the tubberware tests to see for myself. I might even start a YT channel just to show people how ineffective most of this crap is.
     
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  2. Trepanated

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    I can only think of 4 solutions:

    1. Get rid of the dog - which you have already said you aren't prepared to do (understandably)
    2. Get rid of the fleas - but this seems almost impossible
    3. Accept that you are going to have to live with fleas.
    4. Move to somewhere where there are no fleas.

    So I guess you either put up with the fleas or move.

    Have you spoken to other dog owners in the area and asked them if they have the same problem - and if they have managed to solve it?
     
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  3. ugarte

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    There must be a lot of rats for there to be so many fleas. Start putting out rat bait in your garage and backyard.
     
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    You're a monster sir, forwarded to the local animal rights advocates! :lmao:
     
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  5. rob1977

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    Frontline - spot on, is the only flea treatment I have found to work.It will kill the ones on the dog as soon as they have a feed, unfortunately the ones around the house will only die once they go back to the dog for a feed.

    I feel your pain though, my misses has 2 cats and if we miss the prevention window, we could spend the next 6 weeks trying to get rid of them.
     
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    my dad saw a street dog suffering from skin problem , so he gave him bread for over two months laced with medicine( for the same disease for humans). He is perfectly fine now.(btw he's a pharmacist) . I don't know which medicine., but you could try.
     
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    Because I run my own crime scene cleaning business, we fumigate houses from fleas, ticks, lice and maggots all the time.
    I have something that kills all types of fleas, ticks etc irrelevant of there stage in the life cycle (adult, child, larvae). It's something you apply to your house, as oppose to your dog.

    Not sure if you can get it in the States, however over here it is called: Ficam W

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Flea Tablets by Dr Johnson and then get the 4fleas spray and coat all fabrics in any areas where the dog goes in it.

    I then used a carpet cleaner to get all the eggs up.
     
  10. ugarte

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    Are these normal dog fleas or sand fleas? You probably need something else to kill the Sand fleas because they are crustaceans and not insects.
     
  11. deedee1whoa

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    Interesting post. You're wrong at least at 1 thing.
    Fleas do bite people as well, I know that for a fact.
    For some reason, they don't bite all of the people but just the chosen one(s).
    I'm not kidding. And it itches like crazy. They're a real pain.
    Glad to hear RAID helped you... At least something worked.
    Hopefully it wasn't a sponsored post by RAID though.
     
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  12. informan1

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    Yeah Raid seems to always work for all bug related problems
     
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  13. dexxtaa

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    why are you not using frontline?
     
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  14. BreaknBrix

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    That's a great point since I run my dog by the beach more often than not. However, from what I just read sand fleas do not go into homes or attack dogs or cats. They are mainly marine animals that stick to marine prey. I also found out that **95%** of fleas that attack dogs and cats in the US are "cat fleas". And I know this town is rampant with cats so it's gotta be cat fleas.

    Thanks folks! This makes 3 recommendations for Frontline since my brother also recommended it. I will definitely be adding this to the list of things to try.

    Thanks Rube. I know I use to use this while camping and it worked like a charm for mosquitos and flies. So this gives me more ideas to test.

    I also read to try calamine lotion which works really well for poison ivy. I think it works like a local anesthetic so maybe that will stop my dog from scratching so much.

    I'm gonna take a trip right now and pick up all 3. Front line, skin so soft and calamine lotion. 1 of these 3 has got to do something..... :)
     
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    Be careful. My cat was allergic to Frontline. He scratched until he became infected and was oozing. I had to put Benedryl cream on him and wrap him up. Dogs can take Benedryl too because I had to give my dog that when he got stung by a bee and swelled up. I gave him Children's Benedryl in liquid form.
     
  16. WizGizmo

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    The absolute best flea treatment is available only by veterinary prescription
    and it is called Comfortis. It costs $20 for a pill and it only lasts for 1 month,
    but it works incredibly well. Your dog will love you for it. :)
     
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    my dog uses frontline once time a month and never have any trouble.
     
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    I've heard about Comfortis being effective.

    Frontline is the one we used for our dog and it worked.
     
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    Has the thought ever crossed your mind that a SEO/Online Marketing forum may not be the best place to get advice on fleas. Hell 90% of the cave dwellers here, have not been outside in years. You might try this, I hear this works the best. http://bit.ly/1t7eYUH
     
  20. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    This is the Blackhat Lounge, so there is nothing inappropriate about the OP posting this thread.