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Fixing the Google Sandbox?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nakamura, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. nakamura

    nakamura Senior Member

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    Some of my sites seem to be in Googles "Sandbox". Means the keywords dropped extremely, no more traffic. Most keywords were in the Top 20, some even in the Top 10. Now they are in nowhere or position #50-70 since about two weeks.

    All pages are indexed and I got no message on Google Webmaster Tools - so its not penalized. Many people told me its the sandbox effect.

    Any idea how to fix this one? I am sure some of you guys have been in the same situation.
     
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    ^would love to know about this too. One of my sites dropped 75 spots over a week and ahrefs only showed a slight reduction in backlinks. Is this sandbox thing real?
     
  3. cnetworld

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    If it's a fairly new site then it could be Google Dance and will take some time to reach them at a stable ranking.

    If you're primarily concerned about Sandbox then Social Signals and Press Release will help.
     
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    How long have you been ranking these sites and how links did you build. Sounds more like a Penguin issue it the sites are not new (over optimised keywords on and/or offpage).
     
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    Site's been around since last June, only started to rank relatively recently.

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    Does this look normal or is it a cause for concern?
     
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    Some people would say that the Sandbox is real and some would disagree. I don't believe in Sandbox, I have seen new sites ranking pretty well in a short amount of time. It also depends upon the KC, quality of content and length of articles. Social Signals works like a charm on new sites - let Google know that people are enjoying your content and they are sharing/liking it across different social media platform.

    If you have any particular post then boosting it through Facebook Ads for $5 will also help.
     
  7. nakamura

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    Website went online September '16. In December I was on position #10-15 with lots of keywords. Then I made PBN links and two weeks later it felt to nowhere.
    First I thought its a google dance, but which google dance send ALL keywords to nowhere for over one month?
     
  8. bartosimpsonio

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    The sandbox is real. It's designed to keep SEOs in the dark when it is detected that the site is SEO only or low budget.

    If you send signals that you are investing big money into a site and don't depend on SEO, it will escape the sandbox. Thus if you get traffic from social networks, it'll probably escape the sandbox, as it's a sign you're spending $$$ on it.

    But if a site seems to be SEO based only, Google will send it to the sandbox. They don't want you depending on free organic traffic.
     
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    There are so many opinions and case studies about this subject. For me, Sandbox is not real, I have seen new sites with good quality content, structure and social love ranking on 1st & 2nd page in about a week or two. The key for me is to create a better experience than the sites ranking on Page 1.

    Personally, I don't buy social signals - I am using a social media management tool with 20 Google+ and 25 Pinterest - and it's been working great for me. I tried buying a few social signals but quality wasn't that good and didn't see much impact after their use. And I run $3-$5 in Facebook ads and it brings likes and shares naturally.

    Matt Diggity has a good article on this subject if you haven't read it yet - http://diggitymarketing.com/reduce-sandbox-length-by-timing-your-backlinks/

    What do you recommend to beat the Sandbox? Thank you
     
  10. mickyfu

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    So what you are effectively saying is if you do good SEO you rank, if you do shit SEO you don't.

    This is not how people commonly see the "sandbox". People see the Sandbox as, sites do not and will not rank within a certain time period.
     
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    Matt Diggity, a self declared guru who's blog ranks for fuck all.

    Maybe we could take him semi serious when his blog manages to get into triple digits for monthly organic traffic.
     
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    I'd say it's more about whether you spend $$$ or not. It's like they want to filter sites who try to rank for free.... If they notice a high spending site, that buys lots of social traffic and other sources(especially adwords!), you escape the sandbox.