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First Page With No Backlinks?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by djshorty86, May 21, 2010.

  1. djshorty86

    djshorty86 Newbie

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    I've been seeing more and more of this lately. To get my sites on the first page for certain keyword terms I have to do at least 100 backlinks. But one of my competitors just builds a wordpress site with a bunch of content (close to 100 posts) and he has 0-4 backlinks but gets on first page of Google for the keyword terms I'm going after.

    This guy doesn't have the keyword in his domain either, just the title of the page. Whereas, most of my sites have the keyword in the actual domain.

    Someone please enlighten me to this trick? It's not the age of the domain or PR or anything like that either. Is it just have a wordpress site with over 50 posts that does it?

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  2. kez1000

    kez1000 Supreme Member

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    thats crazy.. i think that google has changed its algorithm they may not see back links as that improtant anymore... google look at so many different thing when scoring a website
     
  3. ipopbb

    ipopbb Power Member

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    Linking out to relevant pages has HUGE power now... I'd link to where they are linking to.

    Its not just about inbound links... especially if the keyword space is full of PageRank gluttons and no link lovers. Real opportunity to get to the top for free.


     
  4. djshorty86

    djshorty86 Newbie

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    You're right, I think they have changed something in their algorithm as it does seem like certain things aren't as important.
     
  5. djshorty86

    djshorty86 Newbie

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    Hmm thanks, I'll try linking out to some relevant sites now and see how that does for some of my other sites. This can't be it though, because he's only linking out to the actual CPA offers (same as me), not to any relevant sites.

    I'm thinking it has to do with him having all his content on one page, or having that many pages of content.
     
  6. orangeblossoms

    orangeblossoms Regular Member

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    How many pages of content do your sites have?
     
  7. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Well remember, those 50 pages are all creating internal links. Google takes those links into consideration as well.

    Also the few sites they're getting backlinks from may be very good sites. Just a few high quality links from relevant high PR sites will have MUCH more impact than lots of irrelevant low quality backlinks.

    The biggest changes that are happening to the SE algorithms appear to be related to relevance, quality and authority. The concept of "quantity over quality" might not be dead yet, but google is certainly working on it. Making a thousand spammy low quality mfa sites isn't the guaranteed money maker it once was.

    If you build a quality relevant site and get quality relevant backlinks, you're likely to get better results in the long run.
     
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  8. djshorty86

    djshorty86 Newbie

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    My sites are generally one page sites (if they're wordpress), or 5-6 page sites if they're my own template.One of my sites is now PR5 with 500 backlinks and I link from it to the new sites I create. If anything I have higher quality backlinks than he does.

    I can definitely outrank him, but to do so I'd need to build more backlinks. The issue I'm having is I want to figure out why Google even bothers putting his site on the first page at all. It would probably save me a lot of work if I figured out his secret.

    The only difference I can see is that he has a bunch of pages. At least that's what it says in yahoo explorer, but when I visit his site I see one page with a bunch of long ass content for different products.
     
  9. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    You might try looking at my "understanding the simulation" thread. It's possible that even though he has less backlinks, he might still be presenting a better footprint than your site is.
     
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    philionaire Regular Member

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    Yeah, you say you are linking from your PR5 to your sites. Are all these sites on the same host with the same nameservers? If so thats a big footprint which will be easily spotted. Not a good thing in the eyes of big G.
     
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    sikandar Senior Member

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    Can you let us know your competitor's link?
     
  12. blackhit

    blackhit Super Moderator Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    No matter how curious you and others are... posting a competitors link here is not a wise thing to do as it might hurt his/her business.

    Better analyze and speculate based on the info OP gives...
     
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  13. djshorty86

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    I'll check out the simulation thread and see if that gives me any answers. I shouldn't say all my other sites, but it does link to some of them (thinking back now, it links to the ones that have disappeared in the rankings completely).

    I'm not so much concerned with why my site isn't beating his in particular, but why is his site beating all these other sites that have the keyword in the domain and more backlinks. His site shouldn't even be on the first page.

    I'm not going to give out his link because I wouldn't like someone to do that to me. But here are some details:
    Creation date: Nov 2009
    Title of Domain: Not Keyword Rich at All (No Keywords he's trying to rank for)
    Domain Tools SEO Score: 91%
    Terms: 4217 (Unique: 973, Linked: 183)
    Links: 39 (Internal: 18, Outbound: 21)
    #314,029 with 5,033 U.S. visitors per month

    All that information is taken from domain tools.

    According to Yahoo Explorer He has: 44 Pages
    He has An RSS Feed
    He has a Total of 11 backlinks to his domain, most of the backlinks come from his own .info sites
    He has All In One SEO Pack installed


    The only peculiar thing about his site, is his index consists of all the products hes trying to rank for on one page, and is extra long. Then, he has subdomains dedicated to specific products.

    That's about all I can come up with right now.
     
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  14. SilverTiger

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    Philionaire is right. If you have a site linking to another and it's on the same Class-C IP address and nameservers, Google sees that. You might think about putting that PR5 site on its own IP with another hosting service and then linking to the other sites. The sites will get the one-way backlink accredited to them, which will increase PR and it will help with traffic due to the higher rankings. I know as I've done this.
     
  15. projext

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    Google continues to love wordpress. And to think that some people beleve that blog and ping is dead...
     
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    You got my thanks @djshorty86. This is exactly what I'm thinking and do for my new site. Hope you can know your competitor secret soon and don't forget to share it here! :D
     
  17. rocsk79

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    google confuses the hell out of me. I dont bother "chasing" it. If I just focus on content and keywords I seem to get ranked well with G I build backlinks and ping but not sure if it does anything. basically I just focus on my site and dont even check google to see how Im doing until monthes down the road.
     
  18. Billw

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    The last two websites that I put up has five pages each, no back links, the content was copied from other sites. One of them is number one on G for the KW and the other one is number six on page one. I don't understand G either.
    It doesn't make sense that these two sites should be on page one and one of them number one. No back links and borrowed content. They have both been up better than a month. One of them started on page two and moved up to page one. The other one started number three and moved up to number one.
    877k pages. Weird, but I'm not complaining. Anyday I expect to find them in the proverbial sandbox, lol.