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Findology, Traffic Emporium and BuyHitsCheap review

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by PauloPT, Aug 7, 2008.

  1. PauloPT

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    I will edit this to add anything as I go or something I remember to share. This is my review of the traffic sources I have tried and I'm showing it to you guys.


    FINDOLOGY

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    I won't go into much detail on how setting up an account at Findology. I may add more later, but for now, know that you will need to send an insertion order for them because you're signing in as an Advertiser. They will send you the Insertion Order for you to fill. At least I had to do this. You will also need to start with a minimum of $25 budget.

    To access the main control panel in Findology go to CPView > Manage Campaigns as it shows in the picture. This is where you can add campaigns. I already have one campaign displayed, but if you're starting for the first time, you'll have an option of adding a new campaign.

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    Never leave the daily cap to 0, or Findology will consume your budget until it reaches 0. By default, after you create a campaign it's set to 0. Change it to 1 and tick the checkbox on suspend. This effectively pauses the campaign.Yyou'll notice I have a "Granted" position under the "Landing Page Approval", but that's because my campaign was already approved. If you create one now it will have a "Pending" status so it won't start devouring your money right away, but either way play it safe in case you forget about it and after you create a campaign just set the daily limit to $1 and tick "Suspend". Once the campaign is approved you already have it paused, so you can unpause it (tick suspend again) to start running it.

    Once you do unpause it don't get distracted because your budget will fall as the hits start pouring fast. One thing to note is that you can't delete a campaign. This is not too serious because you can just suspend it, but it can be troublesome to find your campaigns if you have too many and you could just have the option of a delete button.

    Findology's traffic is pop-under, not very good. Sometimes shows as impressions instead of clicks in the networks, and sometimes it doesn't show any clicks at all. Findology does allow a very good control and customization except that it does not allow to delete a campaign.

    Findology support is average and they have the best response rate of all three. Approval of the landing pages can take some hours or more and depending on what you're doing it's not guaranteed they will accept your campaign although I haven't had a problem with that yet.


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    BUY HITS CHEAP

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    Buy Hits Cheap, or BHC, is a poor source of cheap traffic. You either have the option of buying web traffic credits or regional traffic credits. Web traffic is all traffic from every country, region traffic is US traffic; UK traffic; US+UK traffic; and North-American traffic. Most of you will probably want to go with one of the regional traffic.

    Web traffic is $12.50 for 10k hits. Regional traffic is $23.00 for 5k.

    This would not be a bad deal, however traffic from BHC is poor and much lesser clicks will show up in your stats.

    You have a control panel where you can do many things. You can add as many advertisers/campaigns as you want, and you can delete them as you wish, as opposed to Findology. However, you cannot pause campaigns like in Findology.

    On the left you can add advertisers, choosing number of visitors, url and source of traffic. You can't pause the campaign but you may get around it by starting with any amount of visitors you want and then, after the advertiser/campaign is added, you can add more visitors, as many as you want, so it's probably best to start lower and go higher when you need it. You can't subtract visitors, so if you put a too high amount in any campaign you will have to delete it and start with a newer quantity.

    Hits come in too slow. I have had 18 hits in 24 hours. They may start slower and go faster with time, but I believe it is still a bit too slow for my needs.

    BHC allows for good customization. Traffic is poor. Support is horrible, I never got an email back from them.

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    TRAFFIC EMPORIUM

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    Traffic Emporium us run by a user that is registered on this boards, Jeff. TE gets its traffic from expired domains, and this seems to be the most reliable source of cheap traffic there is.

    10k hits are $10. This does not specify which traffic it is, so I assume it's general traffic and not targeted, which may not be what you want exactly. You register with the amount you choose and you give an url to which the hired hits will go to. This is a major weakeness, since you cannot add more than one url. The only way around it would be with a rotator script.

    As you can see on the image you do not have any control over anything. The only thing you can do is logout, *clap*clap*. There is no option to pause the campaign, no option to add more hits and no way to delete the campaign.

    As stated in the website, users might experience a slow start in the first 24-48 hours. I'm already on the go to my 48th hour and as you can see traffic is coming at the same rate of BHC.

    The traffic seems to be the most reliable of the three, meaning real visitors, not pop under or iframes tricks. However you do not have control over anything, and email support from Jeff is mediocre, I've emailed before I registered and I got replies back. I've emailed him after I registered with 3 or 4 questions or requests and did not had a single reply back.


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  2. Rambo

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    This is a great post. I have used all three traffic sources and my personal opinion is that Findology is the best for me.

    It all depends on your personal needs. If you want targeted traffic, then maybe Findology isnt the best source but I just wanted general traffic to lower the conversions on my blackhat activites.

    Findology support was great for me. I rang them up, told them what I wanted and they have done exactly as I asked without any problems. I find if you make a new campaign, just send an email to your affiliate manager and notify them. This will get your campaign approved much quicker.

    At first the hits come in like crazy. I think I got 57 clicks in 25 minutes. I immeditately suspended the campaign. I rang them up, told them my problem and told them to slow down the traffic dramatically.

    They did just as asked. I am now getting around 20 hits per hour which is exactly what I need for the activity that I am doing. I also told them to target the traffic just to USA and UK and that they should send traffic from Midday to Midnight. They did just as asked and I am very pleased with there service.

    My personal opinion is that BuyhitsCheap is shit basically. I dont like their service. I dont like the rate of traffic and frankly I dont like them. (I had a bad experience with them lol)

    Good post though Paulo. I think we needed one of these. Maybe a sticky could come in handy.
     
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  3. PauloPT

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    Good tips on Findology Rambo, I will try those sometime in the future.

    I found another traffic source, Adv*erty*z

    This is their US traffic prices.

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    They have a high ranking in Alexa, however if they can get traffic to other people they can also inflate their own score.

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    This is one of their testimonials, and it's very likely a lie, or I would pack my bags from IM and retire in a couple of months time.

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    If you check the website you'll see a bunch of pages with 0 content and some give 403 or 404 errors not found. There are also plenty of links directing to the same page. This site does not inspire me much trust but I will probably test them in the future.
     
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    They dont look very convincing to me. When I hear testimonials like that, it makes me run in the opposite direction because we all know its bullshit.

    Another one that is ok in some respects is Revisitors.

    Their service is average. You can order a lot of clicks and they all come very very fast.

    I dont like the service because they charge way too much and they actually believe that their traffic is targeted and genuinely going to improve your conversions.

    When a company says that, I just laugh and laugh and then click the 'X'

    At the moment, I cannot think of a company that rivals Findology.
     
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    If you are just looking to lower epc's and shit for blackhat, I can think of 5 places right off the top of my head that take shits on all 3 of those sources. Again, it's only good for masking blackhat activity. Keywords = Traffic Exchanges.

    I have never understood why an allegiance has not been made to actually come together and build such a resource. It would save a lot of dudes a lot of time instead of hunting these resources down. I once sold a traffic exchange for $9200 that was about 2 months old. The site was completely ran on autopilot as I spent around 4K just advertising thru other exchanges lol. Sort of like a dickhead arbi method.

    If you are looking for a company to rival Findology in true form of popunder advertising then AddOnNetwork and CPX Interactive have both made me money. Media Traffic is good but the traffic is popover NOT under and requires a different mindset and methodology of converting well.
     
  6. PauloPT

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    I haven't checked those websites yet, but won't they be more expensive on the clicks? I once checked bux.to created by some guys in Tonga and you have to pay $20 for 1000 clicks. These guys are zombie teenagers on a click fest to earn cents, and the 1000 clicks will be made in 2 or 3 minutes, which could be considered as suspicious behaviour.
     
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    Findology is definitely the best of the three.

    Buy Hits Cheap is crap as stated by everyone on this board who has used it and I don't think you will find many people happy about Traffic Emporium either. I didn't see anything from TE in 2 campaigns.
     
  8. urbanzen

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    Thank you for the excellent reviews Paulo, Rambo, and CPAMaster.

    I'm quite new here, but I'd like to ask why not set up a proxy script that helps achieve the same result, if the sole purpose is to cover your blackhat track?

    Is it because the more powerful companies have a way to know, that your traffics are coming in via proxies, and that buying these traffics for $10, are really cheap, and saves you a buttload of time?

    The reason I ask is, if you're doing it for 1 site, it'll be cheap, but what if you have 100.

    Urban
     
  9. PauloPT

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    Traffic Emporium gets domain expired traffic, which is the highest possible form of cheap traffic available and the highest quality of all these traffic sources. However there is something I want to explain with TE. Traffic Emporium, gets very little clicks most of the times, but sometimes, it spikes 1000 hits in an instant second. This happens from 3 to 3 days or something like that.

    I had 48 hits one time, and after 1 hour I checked TE and I had 990 hits all of a sudden. What the heck? I checked my stats on the network and nothing changed. These 990 hits did not register at all. Jeff mentions checking the raw logs to confirm that they are indeed there. I havent' checked them but it does not matter that they appear in the log, what matters is if they show up on the network. This could be a double edged blade though, if they do show up on the network, it is suspicious to have 1000 clicks in a couple of minutes or seconds. And this is where TE also fails, it does not allow for any customization, like pause, unpause, hourly limit, or delete.
     
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  10. affmatters

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    I did sign up with Buy Hits Cheap and yup is crap.. Looks like Findology is the way to go..

    Thanks for the review Paulo, by the way hope you will keep updating this thread with your new findings... I'm having a headache on what traffic sources to use...
    This will help a lot for ppl like me
     
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    i used to like buyhitscheap but after a while the traffic started coming in really slow and half of it seemed like maybe they were duplicate ips.
     
  12. PauloPT

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    I don't use proxies, I just blank the referrer so that the network doesn't know where the traffic is coming from.

    Traffic Emporium only allows one url. If you have more than one link you can use a rotator script to rotate the traffic essentially spreading it out through the different urls. TE does not allow for targeting.

    Buy Hits Cheap and Findology allow for multiple urls, and for targeted traffic (country). Bux.to is for one url only, but again, you can probably use a rotator script. However the traffic on bux.to is expensive, very fast, although it is unique. I have not confirmed this, but I don't think you can target bux.to.

    Did it answer your question?
     
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    Paulo, how about an end of month update on your reviews?
     
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    I have found Findology actually converts and is useful for other than just covering black hat. Do the others convert at all. Does anyone know traffic sources that do?
     
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    I`ve just bought 50.000 hits from traffic emporium about 1 week ago and it says that have sent me 10.000 hits, BUT i have been tracking my hits with statscounter, adbrite stats and my cpanel stats and they have NOT sent me 10.000 hits they have not even sent me 15 hits.

    Who is the owner ive been told hes a member here ?

    Can the owner contact me to sort this out as it looking more like a scam to me as you have not stopped replying to my emails now.

    So jeff you need to contact me so we can get this sorted out!
     
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    Have you guys tried Advertyz for crap traffic?
     
  17. PauloPT

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    Excellent suggestion Caretaker. I would like to give the thread an update but I cannot edit it. I will however tell you some of my findings.

    Traffic Emporium
    I'm on the 9000th hit on Traffic Emporium out of a total of 10000 hits ordered. If you look at the TE pic you'll notice there is the number 30 on the right. This means the hits will have a duration of 30 days. Don't start your calculations yet. Most of these hits are not being registered. Every 3, 4 or 5 days a huge spike of hits gets registered on TE, but not on my offer. When I say huge I mean 500 hits being registered all at once. Jeff tells you to check the raw logs to confirm that they have been indeed delivered, but this is useless since the hits are not going through and being stick on the network's stats.

    Having the above in mind you can start to understand how a small number of hits are going through to your offer, or offers through TE. You can have as low as a couple of hits per day, making it not so different than Buy Hits Cheap. TE is expired domain traffic but there isn't enough transparency being shown here. Jeff should have at least answered my emails AFTER I registered for the service, you know never who's going to post your business review online. It allows for one URL only. The only way around this is with a php rotator script that will either randomly or orderly rotate the links to your offers each time an hit is assigned to the url consisting of the php script.



    Buy Hits Cheap
    Still have some regional credits there, low, poor and unreliable source of traffic. It does have a lot of customization though, you can add as many campaigns as you like, set a daily and an hourly limit. You can use this if you only have one url and do not mind receiving few hits a day.



    Findology
    Probably the source of traffic I'm going to stick from now on. Cost Per View. Pop under traffic. It is not very user friendly though. There is an option to geo target it and add or remove categories, and others. I suggest that you only add one category to your url. Even with this, depending on the campaign/link you open, you can have a lot, and I mean a lot of traffic bursting into it. You have to watchout. Never let any campaign run for more than 10 minutes. It's very easy to go get in trance mode reading stuff on BHW only to go back and see you already had +100 clicks on a specific campaign. Each click is 1 cent, 100 clicks, 1 dollar. It doesn't seem much but it starts to add if you're running more than one campaign and get distracted.

    In contrast, there are other campaigns that will have very little hits. If you have more than one url, you will probably notice how some campaigns can add a lot of clicks fast and some others rarely go past 5 clicks throughout the entire day. Remember that this is pop under traffic.

    You can limit the hits to 24 or 48 within an hour, however this is CRAP from LE BULL. I can be 20 minutes away from the PC only to come back and see a 48 hits per hour limit campaign have 133 clicks in it. So it definetely goes over the limit. Having discussed this with my account manager, Carey (I wonder how hot or un-hot she is, and I wonder if it is indeed a woman's name - ever heard of Dana?), she came with some sort of technical and randomly vague explanation for this and told me my campaigns are now on the lowest possible speed. This makes the speedy campaigns a bit slower and the slower campaigns DEADLY slower. To fix this, try adding more categories to your slower campaigns, and possibly bidding higher than $0.01 (try $0.02 and see how it goes).



    Conversion talk
    MrNoob you had pop under traffic converting? Maybe you're using their PPC service? I'm discussing CPViews here and I never had any conversion in all of the hits I've run. Maybe I'm just having bad luck but can you tell me how you're having conversions? Are you using any redirection in the links you're posting as campaigns?

    Cpamaster
    I'd like you to explain better some of the experiences networks you mentioned if you can find some for it.
     
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    Your BHC experience is the same as mine, a sad venture. I've not messed with the others as of yet, not wanting to waste funds at this time.

    Thanks, 'tis appreciated.
     
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    I had CPView traffic convert. It was meant to be just cover for Black Hat but started working by itself. No redirection at all.
     
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    Buy hits cheap sucks because even if they are unique US ip's, almost all the hits are from the same ip range.

    I went to go test traffic emporium and said to myself let's go with the $10 package and try them out, well I never got to test them because the f*ck*ers, never sent me a log in or any traffic, and if your wondering why I didn't contact them it's because it's not worth my time, you obviously are pretty lousy if you can't figure out that I sent you money.

    And findology, they are great, country specific targeting can slow or speed up traffic delivery, get pretty relevant traffic, my own account manager, and a penny a click or lower. Can't beat it.
     
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