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Filling out CPA offers

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Riposte, Jul 6, 2008.

  1. Riposte

    Riposte Junior Member

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    I have only limited experience promoting CPA offers, but I'm curious about how CPA networks and their clients manage the quality and legitimacy of the information they receive from leads.

    How do they generally deal with a lead that doesn't pan out? For example, what would happen if you filled out some lead forms with real information from real people, without those people knowing? So, say you stole some people's identity info or something, like their name/address/phone number and just used it to fill out leads.

    Is there some way the network could catch you doing that? The information is obviously legitimate, just totally worthless... are they going to do anything about it?
     
  2. ximscreamingx

    ximscreamingx Power Member

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    If they reported their credit cards stolen and then suddenly a ton of cpa offers were being filled out, it wouldn't take too much to put 2 and 2 together.
     
  3. Riposte

    Riposte Junior Member

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    Ok, but what if you were just using other people's information without their knowing. I'm not talking about actually stealing stuff, just like, looking in the phone book and using people's names/addresses/phone numbers to fill out leads.

    What would happen?
     
  4. ximscreamingx

    ximscreamingx Power Member

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    Not much, but you'll have to register your vccs in their name.

    You will have to worry about your quality scores when none of the offers convert.
     
  5. edc

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    This has been covered in detail in a nmber of other threads. Essentially, the networks will either pull the offers from you or ban you because the leads that you submitted will never convert.

    Note that this is beyond BlackHat and is essentially fraud. If you want to build a sustainable income (and you should, whether you use BH or WH techniques) I'd steer clear of this approach. Several months ago I tried to rationalize how this could work and not be considered fraud, but decided in the end that I can't make money with no aff network accounts (or worse, from jail LOL). -e-
     
  6. jburrtucaz

    jburrtucaz Regular Member

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    I would imagine if none of your leads ever convert and each lead that is contacted states that they never requested the info or never filled out anything online, then the networks will investigate and figure out what you were doing. It might work for the short term, but is definitely not something you could count on as a dependable, long term income source.
     
  7. MaxSteve

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    Riposte, what you are doing is pure fraud and you will get banned from networks for this. Merchants with higher paying campaigns almost always try to make contact with the leads. If too many of them say "I didn't signup for this", you will be flagged as fraudulent.

    This is also identity theft and you could find yourself in more trouble than just losing your network account.

    edc is correct - whether you are using BH or WH to generate your traffic, you should be looking at creating real leads for merchants if you want to make money in this industry for the long term. fake/fraud stuff will only work in the short term, and considering most networks reverse/boot rather quickly, might not even work long enough for you to get your first pay check
     
  8. jaeden

    jaeden BANNED BANNED

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    there are ways to make this work long term without committing any kind of identity theft and without getting banned... but i wont mention them.
     
  9. Riposte

    Riposte Junior Member

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    And what you are doing is jumping to conclusions and accusing me of being involved in illegal activities with no justification or proof whatsoever. Nowhere did I say that I was doing this or planning on doing this.

    If you go back and reread the original post, I specifically stated that I have very little experience in promoting CPA offers. All I was asking for was information about how the networks handle a large number of non-converting leads.
     
  10. crsk8andsno56

    crsk8andsno56 Senior Member

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    and fromanetwork answered this for you... You will be banned lol
     
  11. entity

    entity Registered Member

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    Newbies tend to think nowadays that fraud and scams belong to blackhat money making methods...kinda ridiculous.
     
  12. jaeden

    jaeden BANNED BANNED

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    i wouldn't say that. violating a TOS to gain money is illegal fraud. black hat means illegal. nothing less. it always has, and always will. the term "black hat" has not been reinvented.
     
  13. BozoClown

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    Dude, credit card fraud is the jurisdiction of the FBI, the secret service and god knows what other organization held behind several computer screens and snooping technologies.
     
  14. jaeden

    jaeden BANNED BANNED

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    yeah, serious stuff but he never said anything about cc fraud.
     
  15. crsk8andsno56

    crsk8andsno56 Senior Member

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    Blackhat does not mean illegal at all lmao...

    Blackhat means immoral, sneaky, underground, etc.
     
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    maybe immoral, not sneaky or underground. the distinction is what is ethically right and wrong. You would be hard pressed to find an ethically immoral way of making money online that isn't illegal.
     
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    Exactly where not running a internet crime ring :p
     
  18. jaeden

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    (2008) http://dictionary.oed.com/. Oxford University Press. ?black hat n. colloq. (orig. U.S.) (a) a villain or criminal, esp. one in a film or other work of fiction; a ?bad guy?; (b) Computing slang a person who engages in illegal or malicious hacking, creates or distributes computer viruses, etc.?
     
  19. ximscreamingx

    ximscreamingx Power Member

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    The secret service? Come on man... You sound like one of those guys who think the CIA is wiretapping your phones.

     
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    Lets leave morality out of this because I'm not interested in engaging a philosophical debate on a thread that doesn't merit it (and is in the wrong location for that matter, should be in CPA) to begin with.

    But can we just agree that black hat at least implies a violation of most TOS? If it doesn't, then it would be better described as gray or even white hat correct?