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Fellow BHW Members - What Do I Do With My Life?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by florflor, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. florflor

    florflor Senior Member

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    I'm looking for some guidance from my fellow blackhatters. I'm not sure I'm at a low, just totally confused about what to do.

    Been marketing online approx 6 years (3 full-time) but struggle to cover expenses like rent/bills/food/taxes.

    I decided that I ain't gonna do this anymore, the way I'm doing it. Sold off the few good white hat assets I had as they are not going to take me to the next level that I want (6 figures).

    I have the usual problem of having too many ideas. Still, I've done some things right and I've learned a lot. What annoys me most about online sites is how you find something that works and then the game suddenly changes and you're back to square one.

    Every success that I've had has eventually fizzled out. I'm fed up of plugging holes in the dyke only for more leaks to develop. So I sold up.

    I think I'm gonna go back to the workforce. 3 years out is not good but I think I can temp and get back to what I used to do. Problem is that my old job sucked. It's IT Support so it means you are treated like sh1t every day. I may try going for a regular marketing job, we'll see if they take me with no real world experience, I think I've learned a lot from my IM work.

    I don't want a career, but I think I'm forced to. I've got aging parents whose culture is not to save but depend on their kids. In 5 years time, I'm gonna have to support them which sucks. Kinda scary seeing as I don't have a career and need to somehow pick up the pieces.

    At least when I'm working again, I'll actually have money. If I can save the money, I could buy Adsense sites as they are maybe the only type of sites that can reliably keep bringing in the money. That's my plan at the moment.

    Some advice for anyone reading and hoping to go full-time:

    - don't jettison your career. Make sure you are earning some serious money before going FT. Well, you could take a risk, but if you're not 6 figures within 2 years, I suggest going back to "work".

    - if you're young and don't have a degree yet but are planning one, choose a good one! I did choose a good one but I have no desire to do what I used to do. Back in my day, there was no internet, we just fell into a degree, whatever seemed logical at the time. There was no good advice.

    - Selling ebooks is NOT a career. OK, there are a few people who build a brand around themselves. They get great sales from their single brand. But the vast majority make peanuts. And most white hat stuff is actually just as risky as black hat. The white hatters just don't admit it. Be critical about what you are doing - are you building a real career, a real business? It's OK not to if you just want to raise some funds to reinvest (if you don't have expenses like I did) but don't fool yourself into thinking that Clickbank affiliate sites or CPA promotions or something else are a career. Even if you earn 50,000 USD per year, that doesn't make them a career. It could all go down the tubes within a couple of years. What is a real business? You need to help people by providing a good or a service but the key thing is help. And try to plan one foot in the real world e.g. offline marketing to businesses, dropshipping, software.


    So I guess I'm going back to the real world, to do a career. I ain't happy about that. I detest working in offices. I detest working for others. I detest most jobs. I'm past the point (and don't have the funds) where I can go back to school and do something good like a Computer Science degree, for example. I long for a simple life, humans have existed for over 200 million years happy in tribes and yet rapidly our lives have changed, faster than our bodies and minds can cope with it. I don't like the way we live to spend 5 days out of 7 at work etc. and live sh1t lives in the industrialised world (and yet most are deluded into thinking we live better than ever!). With the exception of better healthcare, it's all bull.


    Any advice for me? I know what I have to do, there's pretty much no way out of it. Man, if I had just created a page of content a day for the last 5 years I would be set. Then again, I might not be, you never know with Google and other games. IM just gets harder and harder, too many BS things out of your control. That's why sites sell for 10x earnings these days, because even the most reliable sites can turn to dust quickly.


    Anyway, that's my story. I don't consider what I've done as a failure. I plan to buy these sites in a couple of years as part of my plan. More than anything, I plan to save this time (when I worked before, I never saved anything). Saving and having money gives you power and I firmly believe you should have a growing fund and never reinvest all of it or at least build your assets over your lifetime and have a proper diversified risk strategy.

    I'm not looking for pity here by the way, I hope that some good can come out of this thread from discussion and thoughts that you have. Not just for me but for everyone's benefit.
     
  2. jstover77

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    Why give up? If you have to get a job to pay your bills you should still do IM in your spare time. It took me almost 10 years before I made it full time with IM. Sure I would get down, but I knew in my heart it would come. I never gave up.
     
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    Love what you do and...

    then do it with more love!


    Without being passionate (and clever) at it,

    You can't be Happy

    and Prosperous!

    Good Luck at whatever you choose! :)



     
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  4. TNphoneman

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    Sounds to me more of what is needed is a lifestyle cut. It may even require moving and not eating out all the time. You don't have to make 6 figures to be successful if you watch what you are spending. Sell your car and get a used one with no payments. Move down in house etc. Those are just a few things that you can do. When I grew up if you had a 1500 square foot house you had a mansion. Now that is almost considered slumming.

    Hate to be harsh, but it sounds like your parents will need to change also. I am all for helping family as that is the way it should be but they also need to take some personal responsibility.

    Get rid of the lifestyle you want and go with what you need. You can be happy doing that too. It is a mindset that money will not fix.

    Good luck to you what ever you decide.
     
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  5. florflor

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    Yeah that's my plan. I'm a starter and not a finisher. I'm like a magpie with too many ideas.

    So I've decided to save my money and invest in established sites only, preferably low maintenance Adsense sites. At the same time, I'm gonna do offline marketing which has not been possible for me so far but soon will be (for reasons I can't go into right now).

    I had some great times the last 2/3 years so I don't regret them. Just a shame I have to go back to where I was before (or possibly even worse). Thanks for the words of advice.

    There's a lot I miss about having a job too. You ain't treated like a leper by society and by companies for not having a work contract. You get to interact with people all day instead of going to bars to get your social fix etc.

    Thanks, I didn't realise it took you 10 years. Are you white hatting it now? Are you running a real business?


    Damn straight, you are so right. You gotta be passionate. That's definitely one thing I learned.

    Few people have sites that totally take care of themselves. I used to write articles a lot and enjoy it. Now, I couldn't write an article on anything unless I'm passionate about it. I think online stuff has got to have your passion, otherwise look at different niches or activities or whatever. Without the passion, you can go for 2 years, but impossible to go for 20. So true. Thanks





    The funny thing is that I could probably earn OK figures by running regular WSOs, for example, but (1) it ain't a real business and (2) I got no passion for it. I also don't wanna be associated with most Warriors who are deluding themselves and many of whom are scammers.

    BHW keeps it real for me, I love this place.
     
  6. florflor

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    Well I don't go crazy with money though I do need to curb the spending a bit. I have high rents for shitty places, this is what happens in the city and I've only ever lived in cities. I don't have a car (don't even have a license).

    I wish I could tell my parents to take responsibility but they're past that point now. I have one brother who doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself, it's basically all down to me.

    I had some major arguments with my mom about this recently, very hard to communicate with. When I got told about the mistakes I'm making, at my age (early 30s) I should have this and that I did remark back at one point how it wasn't just me had no savings but nobody in our fuggin family ever saved a god damn bean!!

    It's a cultural thing though. In the West, parents don't feel their kids owe them anything. In some other countries it's the opposite, the parents feel their kids gotta look after them because they spent the last 30 years sacrificing all for them. Only I never realised this until recently cuz I was raised in the West! In the culture my mom is from, its normal for the parents to live with the kids when they get old. :eek:

    I only mentioned the 6 figures, not coz I need em. But because I don't see the point of being a business owner (with the added stresses and responsibilities over a regular day job) unless you are earning 6 figures.

    I plan on living in a shared house still for the next 2 years, to save on rent and build the fund. Gonna be going back to the city I was in before which is mega expensive but got no choice really. I think work is maybe too hard to come by elsewhere. I'll continue the IM too.

    I think that IM plus a job will be quite good for me.
     
  7. synfig

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    This line from anyone these days hurts me a lot because i'm in same situation.

    I'm into IM because i got rejected by top companies like nvidia/intel/amazon and many other. My friends managed to get hooked with these companies but i can't because of fear in my mind. I managed to get part time job as consultant programmer for one firm and doing that for 6 hours a day to pay bills. IM is part time for me. Confidence is so lost because of my earlier rejection that i fear 9 to 5 career. Every passing day, IM is also becoming harder because of google and other revenue streams becoming more saturated. I don't know if things will change for me but i'm going to try. I'm going to see if i can build some freelance portfolio and then going to setup service business.

    I don't know if i can give you any advice. But both you and i know that search dependent business makes things difficult, so i can only think about building brand and portfolio for any business/service.
     
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    A man usually retires when he is too tired and weary, or too too old, or isn't passionate about the work any more. Any work, offline or online, will need you to be passionate about what you're doing, be it for 10 minutes or 10 hours...

    When you're being passionate (and clever, of course) your mind helps you to learn new things on auto-pilot. When you think you're losing, or someone (its usually you yourself) is kicking you out, or things aren't working "fairly", just go to the red corner and beat the hell out of that fu**ing mean man (your own negitive self)! :)

    Most often, you'll be a new person altogether!! Find out what suits the situation and then get it working!

    So first you got a date to keep with that "mean man", so go beat that assh0le first:), young man!

    When you're
    really ready, Come Back! :)




    P.S.: :)

    And yeh, just remembered...

    Keep this nailed to your bedroom wall >>

    Too Many Great Ideas,
    All Together, Can In Deed

    Spoil A Good Brain!
    Work Only With A Few At A Time...


    :)


    :D



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