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Federal Online Sales Tax Legislation

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by espz0rz56, Apr 22, 2013.

  1. espz0rz56

    espz0rz56 Newbie

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    So I've been watching the debate over this on C-SPAN (currently being voted on as I post this). I'm curious to know, if this passes, do you think Amazon will change its policy on not allowing affiliates from online sales tax states? I've had to deal with this first hand, since I'm not allowed to be an affiliate in my state, which is extremely frustrating. For those who don't know, if passed, the law will require all online businesses who exceed $1 million/year to pay sales tax.
     
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  2. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    It's another internet killing bill, this time hindering all online commerce. CISPA is designed to make warrantless monitoring the codified norm, and the online sales tax will codify online taxation without representation across the land. The US is increasingly trying to become a no-freedom zone in its attempts to close the barn door of the net, after the horse has left the stable.
     
  3. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    Its not a internet killing bill, its a bill to protect the states from diminishing revenue and local businesses in the community. Every state that has sales/use tax requires people to pay sales/use tax even if they bought something online from another state, but the majority of people do not file with the state and pay the taxes they owe.
     
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  4. bigcasey123

    bigcasey123 Regular Member

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    I doubt people are even gonna follow this law....i bought from people on ebay who sold in the same state as me and i didn't pay any sales tax.
     
  5. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    The majority of people that have to, probably will its for companies and persons selling over $1 million worth of products a year online.
     
  6. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    Background on the fallacy of this thinking, and the web-killing nature of the bill:

    "Understanding the background of the National Internet Tax Mandate is simply understanding that limitless government will grow without limits.

    Quill Corp. Vs North Dakota, a 1992 Supreme Court Ruling, resulted in the ruling that States could not impose taxes on businesses without a physical presence within the respective State. The catch is that the Supreme Court specifically stated that Congress could overrule their ruling with legislation, such as the aforementioned, "Marketplace Fairness" Act

    The Internet Tax Freedom Act (INFO) was signed into law in 1998, and most recently extended in 2007, until 2014, as the Internet Tax Nondiscrimination Act (INFO). This legislation prohibits internet taxes on internet access, usage, or in a discriminatory manner.

    The aforementioned legislation does not prohibit a government sales tax on internet sales, which is exactly why this loophole is being exploited in an attempt by certain congressional tyrants and like-minded planners in various industries, under the pseudonym of Marketplace "Fairness" Act.

    Imposing a sales tax on internet sales or any other form internet taxes is the government's way of stamping, and certifying to itself and others, the government controls, owns, and is responsible for the internet.

    To overstep its bounds even more, certain branches of the government, like the FCC, have gone as far as to create a "subsidy" from American's savings to government offices whose mission will be to monopolize your individual connection to the internet so that they may better track, spy, and tax you. That's right, the FCC has made it transparent that it is in the process of taxing Americans to create a network to track and tax Americans.

    Just as additional examples of government overreach on the internet,

    Recent NSA whistleblowers claim the NSA has 20 TRILLION records on American Citizens communication, including over the internet conversations and information.
    "National Security Letters" sent out by government to American journalists illegally silenced and criminalized whistle blowers and journalists who sought to practice their Natural Right to free speech.

    And we are supposed to trust a national internet tax mandate, effectively a government takeover of the internet?

    If the government truly "needed" more money, and the internet tax was solely being discussed because of a lack of revenue, they could just create more fiat dollars and debt through the Unconstitutional and illegal Federal Reserve, and tax the free individuals who produced and worked for that income, without their knowledge, through the decrease in value of their dollars, also known as, the inflation tax.

    And if the government was miraculously cured of its disease-like-nature, and truly aimed to assist and serve the people, while simultaneously & hypocritically engaging in the theft that taxation is, and was in need of revenue, the answer would not be to raise taxes, so that investment, jobs, expansion, and savings can be sacrificed, but instead, to decrease taxes, so that free individuals and business could generate savings, motivate investment, and expand jobs and the economy, thus, creating more sources (more jobs) of more taxes (taken from more income) from individual citizens.

    This increase in wealth would also decrease the amount of revenue the government "needs", because the market provides better services, more efficiently, and with respect, when compared to government. Reducing "required" revenue will decrease the symptom, higher taxes.

    Please do not misconstrue this as me supporting monopolized theft (taxes) in any way, besides my daily payment of them, albeit under duress.

    Back to the point, there is no evidence to show that this legislation fixes any problems or prevents any problems, nor does it seem like the legislation really even attempts to address anything. There is absolutely no reason to impose this tax, as if there ever is for any tax. The sales tax on internet sales exists simply to create a government stamp of ownership on the internet-the last beacon of freedom and free-market on earth-that would reduce individual liberty, expand the deep recession further into a depression, and restrict innovation and free exchange of ideas. The government, being the monopoly on force that it is, is attempting to force business owners and individual taxpayers to hand over more of their money to pay for the mistakes and budget failures of government, all the while paying higher inflated prices with weaker dollars, because of rampant Federal Reserve monetary inflation and spending."


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  7. VintageAude

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    Nah bro you're just blaming invisible boogeymen for all your problems *typical Roparadise response*
     
  8. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    Its not making a tax, its enforcing existing taxes that several states have but no one there is paying them, the money is not going to the federal government but the states.