1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Fed a pack of PBN lies

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ZennoScripts, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. ZennoScripts

    ZennoScripts Junior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2015
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    61
    Location:
    USA
    Took a gamble on a PBN of 20 sites, paid $15 for each of them off a seller, paid another $13 per domain to register, paid $50 monthly to get them hosted using a PBN SAAS provider.

    Lets do the math on this investment shall we?

    Well, I hosted the domains with that PBN hoster at $50 a month for 4 months - $200
    I bought the domains from the seller + namecheap = $560
    I bought some decent articles off a guy on oDesk $15 per 800 words Times 10 articles = $150
    I bought a year's worth of WordAI = $300 (roughly I can't remember exactly the cost)
    I also put the niche based site on a small Hostwinds VPS at $33 a month Times 4 months = $132

    This all comes out to $1,342, maybe give or take a hundred dollars.

    I managed to rank #11 - #19 for the past 2 months now and no amount of tweaking or adding anything will move my site. I even added a handful of tumblr blogs, wordpress blogs, added social signals every couple of weeks, bought reddit ads, bought Facebook ads. Now I get a consistent amount of traffic about 100 UV a day to this site. Maybe earn $1 - $5 a day.

    But what the fuck, I see competitors who buy bullshit PBNs off various BHW providers who don't even bother to block bots and they rank all fucking day #2-3-4-5 on the first fucking page.

    It's a churn and burn project, I understand this its apart of the game.

    So around the same time in july, I setup another site a wordpress based one with a custom theme. I added some spun content to it, threw some shitty blog comments at it, bought $100 worth of crap PBN posts from here on bhw. Well what do I know, its ranking #9 for its main keyword on the first page.

    Are these expired domains people are pushing utter bullshit?

    I feel like when I buy off these guys I'm being pushed some shit little pill that they promise will give me fucking rankings.

    I feel like I just bought some fucking Garcinia Cambogia or some ED pill that was made in someone's backyard.

    Is this whole PBN bullshit a pack of lies?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  2. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2008
    Messages:
    3,230
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    Without seeing everything it's hard to really comment. But here is your issue. There's no reason for a PBN to be a churn and burn or short term project. I would not waste money on these for a short term project, except perhaps to give it that extra push. What you did second is the churn and burn, that's why it's cheap. Cheap links that there's a good chance get discovered sooner or later. Where as the PBN is a long term investment.
     
  3. asap1

    asap1 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2013
    Messages:
    4,961
    Likes Received:
    3,179
    "added a handful of tumblr blogs, wordpress blogs"

    So you have 20 PBN links, and 5-10 web 2.0s.

    BUILD MORE LINKS.

    Dont stop until you hit #1, dont be scared.

    You need links to rank if your keyword has competition.

    Ranking #11 - #19 with this little bit of links is good, now go buy a diversity package in the marketplace for $100-$200.

    Are PBN's a LIE??
    [​IMG]
    28k/m keyword given 50 PBN links, you tell me if it worked. :)
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 3
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2016
  4. spectrejoe

    spectrejoe Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,105
    Likes Received:
    439
    Home Page:
    You don't even have a total of 50 links and expect to rank top 10 - top 5 for stuff?
    Unless your PBNs are god like you obviously wont rank that easily.

    Keep making some web2.0 and boost them.

    Also try to reduce some costs on your PBNs, I personally wouldn't spend 150$ on content for PBNs but that's me, google doesn't crack down small networks, especially if they are private (not for sale like those in BHW).
     
  5. AstralKing

    AstralKing Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2016
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    4
    The domains you bought might be shit, use Ahrefs.

    Sweet. How much effort do you put in trying to make your PBNs not look like PBNs? I have around 25 and some look legit, some don't. Getting more worried since my site is ranking on first page now xD
     
  6. asap1

    asap1 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2013
    Messages:
    4,961
    Likes Received:
    3,179
    I pay someone to set them up pretty good. I couldn't imaging doing it myself.

    For top quality PBN set up use these guys - http://www.pbn.bz/

    Heres their BHW profile @PBN.BZ

    If you aren't looking for top quality you can get really good setups from a few sellers here on BHW at around $20 each.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  7. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2,239
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    How is your anchor distribution for 50 PBN links? Do you keep under say 5% or 10%? Basically how many links use the actual KW you are ranking for?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  8. davids355

    davids355 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2011
    Messages:
    9,845
    Likes Received:
    7,467
    Home Page:
    Definitely gonna give these guys a try. Thanks.

    And to you OP; as said above you just need to build more links - assuming that ranking your keyword has enough value to make the return worth while: don't give up at the first stumbling block.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  9. JasonXDC

    JasonXDC Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    107
    PBNs work very well for me, that being said- its a component within a full strategy.

    I have editorial posts boosted with tiered links,self built PBNs boosted by another round of PBNs to pass more link juice, press releases, web2.0s to balance my anchor ratios and social signals sprinkled every random day to not leave a pattern.

    I'd say your problem could consist of a few things:

    1) Domains do not have enough links and RD.

    2) Links and RD are perhaps on the subdomain?

    3) Anchor text ratios

    4) Money site content lacks good on page SEO?

    5) Keyword competition level is high and your competitors may have better hidden links than you do.

    6) Did you silo your money site to build topical relevancy?

    7) You may have triggered a algorithmic penalty (not manual), because of overoptimized anchors or frequent use of anchors that are money terms.


    Here's what I'd do:

    1) Research your competitors on page one. Find all their links, and analyze them to understand their anchors/RD and content.

    2) Go over your on page, fix up your content and html headers/sub headers and alt image attributes, site speed , schema

    3) Make sure your site doesn't have just three lousy pages. Silo them with LSI keyword articles if you need to. It takes work, but its very worth it.

    4) Check majestic for all your anchor texts and see if you need to pad them up with more branded/generic/url Variations to balance the ratios.

    5) Determine your link velocity. If your site hasn't been around long enough, is your site deemed popular enough to be receiving a constant stream of links? Build up social signals to mimic activity and popularity long before you start blasting links. Drip this while you work on #6.

    6) Boost your PBNs. Assuming they aren't Shitty domains, add several more related articles and interlink them to each other at random, and strategically link one or two back to the original post that links to your money site. Add some non spun web 2.0s to link to these new articles , then add social signals to the web 2.0s before hitting them with cheap pbn posts from market place or tiered links.

    If you got the $$$ to spare, skip the web 2.0s and just create another group of PBNs to link to that PBN site.

    7) Build more links that you don't have to worry about later on. Forget about blog comments, spun and crappy sharing links etc...if this is a real money site, build links that you won't need to worry about disavowing later on. Putting in effort to procure strong & credible links won't go unnoticed by Google.

    8) Read more PBN guides on BHW to cut your output costs for hosting, content and domains.

    9) Always Always Always keep building links. The new penguin algorithm can just devalue links if it deems the links to be part of rank manipulation...so don't just assume that because you spent $xxx and a bunch of hours on links, that you deserve a rank increase of some sort. What matters is what kind of links, how they are built, how likely is your site to be getting that much awesome links.

    Peace.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 4
  10. LeanLow

    LeanLow Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2013
    Messages:
    924
    Likes Received:
    299
    Shitty domains are going for 50-100$ on godaddy auctions, people are scooping them up like they are on something. The average ones go for 200$-300$. The era where you could get a decent domain for 50-100$ on auctions are long over.

    Get real, how long did you people thought this age of PBN gold rush will last ? Well I can tell you that those who made money when the PBN prices were x5 lower than they are now, are now competing with each other and bidding each other up to thousands per PBN domain (because they work and give incredible ROI).

    If the big players can drop 300$-1,5$ on a PBN and make x2 within 6months, then why wouldn't they do it all day ? That's what they are doing, that's why domains that costed 100$ 12 months ago now costs 200$-500$.

    P.S.

    I'm not even going to address the '15$ expired domains'. All I'm going to say that now is probably the worst time starting out with SEO, if you are not making money with yet. Add PBN domain prices + that it takes 6+months on an average niche to rank top3...
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 3
  11. Kosher1

    Kosher1 Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    758
    Likes Received:
    394
    You sound very knowledgeable. I always wanted to start by own PBN network, but figured at the end of the day, its going to end up just as you explained above...... Though for certain niches it may still be worth it.
     
  12. RankBoss

    RankBoss Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2016
    Messages:
    149
    Likes Received:
    19
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    SEO Agency
    Location:
    Within your range
    you build 20 pbn ranked 19 just think maybe your competitor added 100 backlinks
    so dont worry there are many seo companies . I
    nstead of creating your own ask them
     
  13. Kosher1

    Kosher1 Power Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    758
    Likes Received:
    394
    :)
     
  14. LeanLow

    LeanLow Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2013
    Messages:
    924
    Likes Received:
    299
    The problem is that people don't know how to evaluate competition, most of the people think that you can buy 20 15$ domains slap them on cheap hosting account and rank for something that can make you thousands per month.

    You can surely rank with those shitty 15$ domains, just aim very very low. If you can rank something that will make you 200$ per month with the 300$ PBN network, that's great, reinvest the money, buy better PBNs and then make a site that makes 500$ per month, repeat till you become a millionaire. Your welcome.
     
  15. MisterF

    MisterF Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Messages:
    6,311
    Likes Received:
    4,823
    Occupation:
    Conference Organiser, Business Advisor.,
    Location:
    JADIP
    Home Page:
    OP

    Care to share who you bought all these from ?

    I see a lot in some FB groups where there's people selling crap, but disguise it as the dogs bollocks.

    As soon as a method works, plenty of 'experts ' and 'gurus' crawl out of the woodwork.

    There are some very big names in SEO who offer great PBN services.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 2
  16. Banditoseo

    Banditoseo Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2016
    Messages:
    268
    Likes Received:
    188
    Gender:
    Male
    PM me your highest prior money phrase. I'll throw it into LinkResearchTools and post the analysis here without mentioning the phrase. You can see for yourself what's different.
     
  17. whiteblackseo

    whiteblackseo Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2015
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    918
    Home Page:
    I got 15 PBNs setup personally in less than $500 with 12 months of hosting. The pricing is ridiculous of what you paid
     
  18. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2013
    Messages:
    12,070
    Likes Received:
    10,840
    Occupation:
    WHEREZ MA
    Location:
    BITCOINS AT?
    Home Page:
    Quality PBN's are expensive to build and to maintain. That is why so many pros end up selling links from their PBN, in order to keep it up.

    Also, if you slip and let the search engines know who you are, the whole PBN is gone. Use some browser with some extension and forget to sign off and so on. Anyone who thinks the antispam system is different from a police operation is just wrong. They use police tactics to catch spammers, I think it's been said by a search engine guy in one occasion.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  19. dami3n

    dami3n Regular Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2013
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    68
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    England
    Well first off it is a load of BS because a PBN means private. Selling links is hardly private but thats another topic all together. If you were planning a churn and burn site i wouldn't have given you access to my PBN i would not want the risk factor of it. So chances are this guys just put his rod out and caught a big one.

    Learn your lesson move on. With churn and burn why not build your own micro PBN there not hard to setup just make them look real. Ive setup some web 2.0's free ones that ended up in the top 5 places where as my site ended up in 9th still traffic is traffic! oh and $5 a day isn't exactly a good ROI. Good luck in finding something better!
     
  20. Xamarin

    Xamarin Newbie

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2016
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    12
    Gender:
    Male
    I also tried creating my own PBN links, however i find it really difficult and time consuming. Is there anybody here on BHW who offer quality PBN rental service?