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FB Event page - PR10

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jacobs, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. jacobs

    jacobs Power Member

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    I was examining my competitor's backlink which is only a few but he is dominating the competition, so i checked them, found some PR 1-4 links and one PR 8 and PR 9 but what intrigues me is this facebook event page which is PR 10. Any of you guys knew how much this link give him a boost considering FB is nofollow?
     
  2. thegame95

    thegame95 Junior Member

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    yeah maybe nofollow but with that PG 10 and PR 8, PR 9 you will have a nightmare to take him off spot 1. but it also depend on how big the niche is.
     
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  3. jacobs

    jacobs Power Member

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    figured that out... maybe I just need to step up my fb game... create more pages and links.
     
  4. PicStar

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    Nice lol, never thought of trying to rank up an event page
     
  5. S-Sheep

    S-Sheep Registered Member

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    PR 10... lol that's insane but if it's nofollow you don't have to take care as it won't (it shouldn't) send the link juice to its backlinks. But if it's do follow, (...)
     
  6. jacobs

    jacobs Power Member

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    just found out that the pr 9 and pr 8 are also nofollow. :eek:
     
  7. Micallef

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    People say a lot of different things about nofollow.

    But there is one thing we know for sure:

    Nofollow links do not pass PR.

    Therefore, a nofollow on a PR6 is no better for serps than a nofollow on a PR2. Both links have the same serp alteration value - zero.
     
  8. takeachance

    takeachance Power Member

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    Whilst I agree with most of this I think there is more to it than that. In contrast to your comment, a link from a PR6 NF site would in most cases provide more serp benefit than a link from a PR2 site. Why? A consequence of the page becoming a PR6 is probably partly down to the authority of the overall site. The higher the authority, the better serp value the incoming link will provide.

    I agree that the DF attribute will not pass any PR (for others, this is a good explanation here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow) but we are talking about the 'value' of the link - how powerful it is in the absence of no PR flow. The higher the authority of the root domain the more value this link will provide if a PR6 resides on an authoritative site it will provide serp benefit over that of a non authoritative root domain containing a PR2 page.
     
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    Nah even though its a no-follow, it will have little outgoing links so it will still be valuable!
     
  10. lovemetender

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    Why do you think no follow don't count? Because google tells you so? What a joke to believe that. Just because the G tells you something does not mean it it is true.
     
  11. Micallef

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    That's the technical, specific answer that I suspected you would come up with :) You may be technically right, but once again, it depends on what you think about nofollow links. To me, comparing the value of 2 nofollow links is a pointless exercise as they are both nofollow and therefore have the same value - I suppose there is the possibility of a human clicking the link, but as far as serps are concerned - zero.

    One thing I've learned in my time on the forum is that people have strong beliefs about the nofollow attribute, and there is no piece of "killer evidence" that will change their position one way or the other. I have tried to do it many times and rarely succeeded - people tend to maintain their original beliefs no matter what they read.

    To me, it's blatantly obvious that Google comes off with better quality results (their overriding aim) when it stops nofollow links from impacting on its serps, as they are mainly user generated.

    This is not obvious to other people, or they don't agree. Therefore, there will always be a variation in the answers given to questions on BHW, and a general consensus will never be reached.

    Got to say, nofollow links are "in fashion" recently - I've been a member here for over a year, but in the first 6 months, I didn't hear very many claims that nofollow is effective for serps. Now I hear it all the time.
     
  12. dragos

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    Well, nofollow links are still valuable but only for yahoo
     
  13. takeachance

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    Ok Micallef fair points made - let?s put this one to bed with a very short example...

    I very recently placed a link to my relatively new .co site (just 80 BL at present) on a super authoritative site (the likes of microsoft.com) and got it to stick. The page has less than 10 OBL and is a PR6 with the 'authoritative' domain being a PR9.

    The PR6 page I left the link is NF.

    Within 3 days of the link being discovered my rankings for the given keyword rose from page 4 to the top of page 2 for a fairly competitive keyword. I have not done any other back linking during this time. It is currently now at the foot of page 1. I have no doubt that the power of the NF link (being partly derived from the authoritative TLD) is the cause.

    Finding such a linking opportunity however is not so easy and in the main, I tend to agree with you that time is not best spent on NF links however; in some cases such as these, they do provide powerful serp benefits despite the absence of the DF tag.
     
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  14. Micallef

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    Because of your general clarity of thought and writing, I am able to believe that you have not exaggerated on the example you have given here.

    In light of this, I will accept that it looks possible that the nofollow from a PR6 did something to your serps.

    The nofollow issue may be more complex than it appears at first, and it looks like it may be bypassed by Google if other "boxes" are ticked surrounding certain links. I think this is a possibility with Wikipedia also.

    However, you have not provided proof and ths issue has by no means been "put to bed" - SEO is a near impossible test environment and the complexities of the algorithm are not available to any of us. The nofollow link you built may or may not have helped your rank - sites have been known to jump without link-building efforts, this happens on a regular basis.

    Still, your example has got me thinking about other possibilities regarding nofollow. Next time I see a high authority nofollow, I'll grab it and see what happens.
     
  15. takeachance

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    I will PM you some proof and by the way, "put to bed" was refering to this particular discussion on this particular thread - I would not be as bold to suggest the NF discussion is over by any stretch of the imagination......
     
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  16. MisterTwister

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    Is it not possible to set up a completely new website with no BL and let it settle in its natural position in serps. Then use the PR10 facebook event page link and see if this has any effect?

    Would be an interesting experiment.