Well, true to his word extremephp has helped the fat one turn blue. Nothing else to say apart from a blooming big thank you to him for his generosity. I hang round these forums to help out where I can, and to be honest I am not a natural internet marketer so decided to help out with hosting / coding / bot making problems and requests. There are a few top notch people on this forum and whatever happens I hope they stay around. Extremephp, you are one of those people - you could be off making money instead of giving me over 100 bucks just so I can go blue. Again, stumped for words but big thanks again to Extremephp Right, off to dive round the Jr VIP forum to see what I can mess up in there Happy Fatboy!