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Fast legal money (if you want). 100% works. Must Read!

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Abercrombie, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. Abercrombie

    Abercrombie BANNED BANNED

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    Well this is my first post and it is *sort-of* about another post I saw somewhere here a few weeks ago. That said, the original post was a short teaser to an free e-book. The e-book pretty much explained to one and all how to scam Commission Junction (or any network) out of thousands per month by carding your own advertisers. Here is the gist of the e-book instructions.

    If you have an affiliate account with Commission Junction (or any network I am sure), what you do is sign up for your own offers. Now this is nothing new, but this guys idea is to sign up for high CPA leads.

    Of course the high CPA leads require more than just an email address, they require a credit card. On CJ, Rhapsody pays out $15.00 per free trial and there are hundreds of companies on CJ that do this. Across the net, there are literally thousands of CPA advertisers that pay out 8-20 dollars per valid "trial" which really only requires a valid credit card with a balance to cover the account activation when the free trial expires.

    Here is the trick. This dude suggests that you get a pre-paid credit card or a gift credit card and load say, $20.00 onto it. Then, you simply sign up for a bunch of these high paying trial offers via your own affiliate link. Again, you can do this because the advertiser will not charge you for this until the end of the trial.

    The magic of this is that if you were to acquire about 5 of these cards per week, registered under different identities, you could do this pretty much indefinitely as long as you were not signing up through your own computer, as your affiliate manager is surely aware of your IP address.

    That is the gist of the whole ebook. There is a lot of fluff about how much you can make, but you can figure that out for yourself.

    Now here is where I tell you what I think. Obviously this is straight up fraud. I don't want to hear anything about it being "wrong" because I know that it is, but legal or illegal, I thought about it a lot. I mean, who can watch the movie "Blow" and not wonder what it would be like to make money on demand? That said, here are the ideas that I have to improve this scam. (And NO I am not running it, I just thought about the concept).

    Identities. Once you buy a card and load money onto the account, in most cases, it is not active. You activate the card by net or by phone. Using a fake identity with a pre-paid credit card is about as simple as lying about your name at a speed dating convention. It's no problem, but this is where I disagree with the original e-book. These days, even pre-paid credit companies at least validate that a person and their location is real.
    So, you will see how to activate many cards with separate identities by starting with just one. Simply get on your computer, find a solid working proxy server and sign up as a *real* person that you found in the location of your proxy server by searching whitepages.com. Now all of your info will appear to be 100% accurate, lest the place of purchase of the card. If you are really paranoid, just buy your card online via the same proxy and all your info will check out.
    Once you have your identity you will have all the card information that you need to buy anything online or over the phone. You will not have the card itself, that will be shipped to your fake identity two weeks down the road. Don't worry about that either because the fake/real person will just say "another damn pre-paid credit card offer I didn't even want" and throw it away.
    Doesn't matter, by then you are done with that card, and that identity. Now, another thing on proxies:

    Tracking. We have solved the tracking on the credit card ID end, but what about once you start using the card? I actually suggest you find out which companies you will do this with by using your own computer and your own card. Most people register with their own advertisers just to find out more about the them. You can still use a $20 pre-paid card so you simply collect the commission (and don't pay), but the real reason you will do this is so that you don't fu*k up once your really running with this scam.
    To be honest, you could do this little scam on your own comp for a while, but it would not take long for your affiliate manager to send you a WTF email, so the only way to do this (repeatedly) is to use an outside computer so that registrations do not show up from own IP address, (the same address that your affiliate network has on file). Bouncing around town could solve this problem (as suggested in the e-book). There are a million hot-spots in my town where I could do this and have a cafe-late at the same time, but again, your affiliate network may wonder why all of your registrations are coming from the same city and none of them are converting (our next point).
    The best idea would be to use proxy servers. This would make it so that your registrations are coming from all over the place. Even if the proxy is a data thief, who cares? It's working and your card is a fake. You will be done with it in no time.

    Conversions: Obviously fake registrations will not convert. Another modification to the e-books ideas is that if you are working with only Commission Junction, the only way that you will get around being dropped by advertisers (or the network) is by mixing your good leads with your bad ones. For instance, every week I have multiple people sign up for Rhapsody from my website. Any fake registration is going to blend in like a dude with a comb-over at the same speed-dating convention; worth a thought, but hardly appropriate for one to investigate.
    Again (fixing the e-book), another way to do this would be to use multiple networks. This would hide your actions MUCH better. Granted, you will not get one big check every month, but many small ones is a good thing too, especially if it keeps you "in business". Also using multiple networks would allow you to sign up with many, many, many CPA offers with the same card. If you have a bunch of these fake cards, the possibilities are *almost endless*, which brings me to my next point.

    Forever Scam: If you are not mixing your traffic you may get caught eventually, depending on how hard you hit this. Here is a way to run this scam forever! Ready?: Incentive Rewards Programs. You know the ones that pay you for signing up for offers, or give you a "free" ipod" or XBox for your "participation". Yah, those. Those scam artists could be just as easily scammed back. Just do the same thing as stated above with as many of these sites as you feel you must. Here is what you must know.
    1. There are so many Incentive Rewards sites on the net that you would never have to quit doing this.
    2. You would not have to commit fraud by using a fake name. Use your own. Remember, you are only using a card with enough money on it for the registration and end payment only.
    3. Don't worry about your affiliate networks. You are being paid through a third party. Everything is on them, including your registrations that you are completing just for the cash.
    4. Not all of the IR companies pay in cash, but you can always use or sell an X-Box or iPod.
    5. You will not make as much signing up for one of their offers as you could through an affiliate link of your own. They split the commission with you, but all of the up sides of this method far outweigh the slight drop in commission.
    6. If you run into more than one IR company running the same offer, just use a fake identity card in your stockpile.
    7. With the excretion of my previous point, This is NOT illegal. It may be shady, but so is a "free" ipod offer and you can do this indefinitely as long as the world continues to turn the way it is now.

    In closing, the above IR company "scam", I have done, and have been paid for it. It is 100% legal if you use your own card. Also, if you choose multiple identities and cards, once you have finished with them, why not use it to buy something for real? That way you only pay for the card itself. You can get started with this now. Have a 20 in your pocket, turn it into hundreds, thousands or whatever.

    BTW, the ebook is free. I would link to the original post, but I don't know where it is anymore and you really can get everything in it by reading the first couple of paragraphs in this post.

    Again this is my first post, so make me feel good about it with a thumbs up and let me know how this works for you.:cow_yello
     
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  2. xmasbunny

    xmasbunny Junior Member

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    well, most of those high paying offers are for USA leads and if you are not on the USA, it gets really harder to complete your own offers. It's good to make some quick money but it can't be seen as a long term business, if you get greedy you'll get caught, period
     
  3. Abercrombie

    Abercrombie BANNED BANNED

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    The post is not about scamming CJ. It's about what inspired me to find a legal and working way to apply this method. Did you even read the part about the Incentive companies at the end? And yes I understand the USA part. Sorry I did not point that out.
     
  4. xmasbunny

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    yeah, I read that
    some companies even encourage you to invite yourself as the first customer (I've seen hosting companies doing that) and already took advantage of that, it's really nice to save or even make some bucks if we are smart enough :)
     
  5. AffGuy08

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    Hey this was what I exactly looking for and was going to do it. You got it spot on mate, can you PM me the ebook link?

    About the fact of not being in USA, won't proxies or socks do the trick??

    Gave u a thanks for this and seriously I was thinking about it for the past few days. :)
     
  6. roguehat

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    this is so old and guess what its being watched and sniffed out .
     
  7. FadeToBlack

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    You only have to find a good US proxy dude, that aint gonna be hard....
     
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  8. tmd4183

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    Here is the ebook if anyone wants it:

    HTML:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?i5zmzmedhky
    Enjoy
     
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  9. thenonpareil

    thenonpareil Regular Member

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    Now if anyone here could point the way to learning how this is done, it would be greatly appreciated. :)
     
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    tmd4183 BANNED BANNED

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    If ya'all cant set up a proxy - your in the wrong field of work here dude:confused:
     
  11. mdmoney

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    This is awesome :)... Another way to get around it is... Some companies can pay more than what it actually costs to signup. You can pay for some leads and not for others. Nice thread :)
     
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    I'm sorry. I must have confused you with my post, tmd4183. I was referring specifically to "finding a good US proxy," and not to setting it up.

    And while we're at it, dare I ask since when did "setting up a proxy" become among the utmost prerequisites to being in this "field of work?" As far as I know, all the SKILLS needed to make it in online money-making can be learned. And mastery comes when we blend in our DETERMINATION. I'm sorry, but in asking questions I only meant to develop both my SKILLS and DETERMINATION.

    Peace out... :)
     
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  13. trice07

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    ya.. that would work, but.....

    There are many factors that come into play when getting credit from an offer, some of the reasons why a credit doesn't come through could be:

    "You used a Pre-Paid Credit Card (Most Advertisers do not support these, and will revoke leads when these are used) "

    Just saying.
     
  14. AffGuy08

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    I guess the method will work best with adult offers ;)
     
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    thenonpareil Regular Member

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    May we know where you quoted this from, trice07?
     
  16. SlowNsteady

    SlowNsteady Registered Member

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    I have to say I'm not a fan of this method. It's straight stealing and fraudulent. Too many people doing this is just going to drive down the value of the leads. Why not work harder at providing true leads rather than thieving? I know it's blackhatworld and all but why do people view bh marketing as stealing? Oh that's right.......because of shitty methods like this. I guess there's no way around it, the only good thing is that most of these people aren't in it for the long haul.
     
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  17. zensiq

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    This is harder than you might think...

    try to find a virtual or prepaid card that works on most of the offers then talk.. They have banned most of the prepaid cards you find in stores as well as some online..
     
  18. trice07

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    git-r-free.com (it's also on the other popular sites)

    I thought about doing this with trainn. Signing up legit, and filling out all of the offers with a pre-paid instead a credit card so you don't have to go through all of the cancels. I tried using my real credit card when I got into these offers, but I used a shop safe number from Bank of America... None of the offers would accept it.

    Even if a few sites did accept a pre-paid, you could go the referral route. Sign up for one offer, and the others sign up for an offer. Only problem is you could only do this once on the site, because they ban proxies on the spot. So if you wanted to create the refs yourself it wouldn't work even with fake info.
     
  19. Abercrombie

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    I think a lot of people are thinking about this too hard. Look, I use a GreenDot card, the ones on TV. Those show up as a debit card. Not a prepaid throw away card. A prepaid gift card is a "load, use, throw away" card. This may be the issue with a lot of you. A pre-paid debit card is a "loud, use, load-more-use" card.
    When you use a card like this, it is recognized as a visa/master card debit card from a real bank. In fact, GreenDot cards create REAL accounts with a REAL bank. You can direct deposit and all if you buy a 200 dollar GreenDot card, they will give you a 200 dollar credit line to go with it.
    Did I mention that you can get these cards at Wal-mart or most major drug and retail stores. Look around and research before you jump to conclusions about the cards.
    Hope this helps. :cow_yello:cow_yello

    Also, as for proxies, why not pay some kid to do the work for you. When you sign up for a get-paid-to site, they are doing the same. Tell your friends little brother to fill out some stuff with a card that you buy for him (making it all legit) and you spot him a 20. What kid wouldn't?
     
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  20. hayama

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    Thanks op on the heads up about the greendot card.

    What is your source on the proxy banning? And are these just free regular proxies you've found online?