1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Fake Designer Goods Aren't Harmless

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by The Scarlet Pimp, Jan 9, 2009.

  1. The Scarlet Pimp

    The Scarlet Pimp Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Messages:
    819
    Likes Received:
    3,183
    Occupation:
    Chair moistener.
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    The next time you decide to save a couple of dollars by purchasing a cheap
    knock-off, think of this article. Or for that matter, if you're considering selling
    counterfeit name-brand goods, think of this article.


    Buying Counterfeit Items Contributes To Human Trafficking, Child Labor:

    By Dana Thomas
    Jan. 9, 2009

    Every time I give a talk on the luxury business today and I get to the subject of counterfeiting, the same thing happens. The room grows absolutely silent as I put forth the facts:

    It is estimated that up to 7 percent of our annual world trade -- $600 billion worth -- is counterfeit or pirated; that fakes are believed to be directly responsible for the loss of more than 750,000 American jobs; that everything from baby formula to medicine is counterfeited, with tragic results; that counterfeiters and the crime syndicates they work with deal in human trafficking, child labor and gang warfare; and that counterfeiting is used to launder money, and the money has been linked to truly sinister deeds such as terrorism.

    No one utters a word, not a sound, as I recall the raid I went on with Chinese police in a tenement in Guangzhou and what we discovered when we walked in: two dozen sad, tired, dirty children, ages 8 to 14, making fake Dunhill, Versace and Hugo Boss handbags on old, rusty sewing machines. It was like something out of Dickens, ?Oliver Twist? in the 21st century.

    Then I read the following passage from my book, ?Deluxe: How Luxury Lost Its Luster.? ??I remember walking into an assembly plant in Thailand a couple of years ago and seeing six or seven little children, all under 10 years old, sitting on the floor assembling counterfeit leather handbags,? an investigator told me.

    ?The owners had broken the children?s legs and tied the lower leg to the thigh so the bones wouldn?t mend. [They] did it because the children said they wanted to go outside and play.??

    The audience gasps. From time to time, I see tears too. And afterward, I always hear the same response: ?I had no idea.? Always. Most consumers believe that buying fake goods is harmless, that it?s a victimless crime. But it?s not. It?s not at all.

    In the five years that I have been writing about this issue, I have seen two things happen: The illegal enterprise is getting stronger and more professional, and the consumer is slowly but surely becoming more aware.

    Cracking down on counterfeiters:
    In the past year, there have been some victories in the battle. Among the most prominent was Louis Vuitton?s win against eBay in court in Paris this past June. (Counterfeiters have long used the Internet, particularly eBay, to sell their phony goods.)

    According to LVMH, the luxury-goods group that includes Vuitton, Givenchy and Celine, 90 percent of the Vuitton and Dior items offered on eBay in the first half of 2006 were counterfeits. That?s right: Nine out of 10 were fake. Most consumers have no idea. How would you know? (See ?How to Spot a Fake? below.)

    Read Entire Article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28571321/
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. bantoncookies

    bantoncookies Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2008
    Messages:
    278
    Likes Received:
    233
    I don't remember Hugo Boss making handbags...
     
  3. Jagged55

    Jagged55 Power Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    747
    Likes Received:
    325
    Occupation:
    Internet Marketing
    Location:
    Canada
    Not to make light of the article but this could be said for a lot of industries and a lot of things you buy every day. Most "legit" companies in the fashion industry have been involved with child labour at some point (just look at the Nike fiasco). Human trafficking spills over into other areas also but I don't want to spin the thread over into other areas. Thanks for sharing though...it will make people think a little.

    And yes Hugo Boss makes handbags.
     
  4. antsaoo

    antsaoo Supreme Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,291
    Likes Received:
    637
    well someone in china has work when you buy those , o_0 but anyways its up to the buyer ;)
     
  5. DrJekyll

    DrJekyll Senior Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2007
    Messages:
    831
    Likes Received:
    697
    Location:
    1-9 for your Keyword goodluck
    those that enslave children and treat them as such will continue to so if you no one buys any fake stuff, they may have them preparing drugs or some other nasty industry because IT IS WHAT THEY DO!!

    they may go legit and make products for walmart.

    It will make no difference as they will continue to do it in whatever market they can use.

    I in no way condone what they do, i would execute those that treat people like that personally. But unless I hunt them down and do it myself, there is nothing that I do that will change it.
     
  6. ShadeDream

    ShadeDream Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,209
    Likes Received:
    5,231
    Location:
    He who laughs last, laughs longest.
    I don't like fake clothes in first place. :)
     
  7. dramtulla

    dramtulla Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2008
    Messages:
    133
    Likes Received:
    44
    Location:
    UK
    like the recycling industry, child labour is rife, its not about stopping the industry its about stopping poverty in general.
    I belive if every western retailer of counterfit goods donated 20% profits from there ill gotten gains to building schools in the 3rd world then this child slavery issue would resolve faster than stopping these markets.
     
  8. Arthas

    Arthas BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2009
    Messages:
    637
    Likes Received:
    322
    true but they would never give that money because the whole reason for outsourcing to such places to begin with is to be cheap. Theres no way to tell if something you bought came from one of these workshops. I have bought fakes from china. It really is a problem for the chinese (or other) gov to handle.
     
  9. DrJekyll

    DrJekyll Senior Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2007
    Messages:
    831
    Likes Received:
    697
    Location:
    1-9 for your Keyword goodluck
  10. The Scarlet Pimp

    The Scarlet Pimp Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Messages:
    819
    Likes Received:
    3,183
    Occupation:
    Chair moistener.
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    When I posted that article I was reminded of the whole "Blood Diamond" issue, and
    DeBeers. Very nasty business!

    There is no way to stop these evil practices, but we can no longer claim that we didn't know where our diamonds and our knock-offs came from -- or at what cost. And we don't have to
    support these vile traders by purchasing their goods.
     
  11. DrJekyll

    DrJekyll Senior Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2007
    Messages:
    831
    Likes Received:
    697
    Location:
    1-9 for your Keyword goodluck
    Scarlet, It is good to be aware of this stuff, and not a bad thing to bring it up. as i am sure some people do not know.

    Just wanted you to know I appreciate your post, just not sure if not buying will change this tragedy.
     
  12. The Scarlet Pimp

    The Scarlet Pimp Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Messages:
    819
    Likes Received:
    3,183
    Occupation:
    Chair moistener.
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    Well, it's not my place to tell anyone, "don't buy these items!" However I am making
    certain facts known that most people are probably not aware of. If they want to buy
    these items after knowing what is going on behind the scenes, then that's between them
    and their conscience.

    I will never knowingly buy anything that was made via forced child labor; what other
    people choose to do is their own concern.
     
  13. crashed

    crashed Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    958
    Likes Received:
    1,199
    Occupation:
    Guru-slayer
    Location:
    Behind the VPN...
    Home Page:
    If the big companies wern't so interested in grabbing so much profit there wouldn't be a market for conterfiet goods.
     
  14. aмillionaírе

    aмillionaírе Power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2008
    Messages:
    532
    Likes Received:
    358
    I'd just like to bump this thread.
    I just re-watched Taken and it made me more aware of this issue.
    Don't support Human Trafficking.
     
  15. bizcredit

    bizcredit Power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    678
    Likes Received:
    253
    Occupation:
    blackhat
    Location:
    usa
    Home Page:
    Buying the real ones contribute to the same things
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  16. spaceinvader

    spaceinvader Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    235
    Likes Received:
    245
    Occupation:
    Slave to money
    Location:
    in Sin
    fake or real its irrelevant, most of them use child labour. What about diamonds? you know every single one costs human blood and most people know this yet they MUST have them... (diamonds make me sick by the way) You do also know that a lot of the stuff you find in supermarkets is so cheap because of exploitation of other human beings? To single out counterfeit goods is to take a narrow view of a very broad problem. The problem is us in the western world, our consumer oriented lifestyles and our general apathy towards the impact it has on the rest of the world.
     
  17. aмillionaírе

    aмillionaírе Power Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2008
    Messages:
    532
    Likes Received:
    358
    This has to stop. I like diamonds but not at this risk.
     
  18. jimbobo2779

    jimbobo2779 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    3,298
    Likes Received:
    2,424
    Occupation:
    Software Engineer
    Location:
    UK
    Home Page:
    I get told that the money I spend on weed goes towards all kinds of crazy shit like terrorism, people trafficking, coke pushers and other ill shit when I know the guy who grows it and have done since I was about 13.

    Pretty much any industry benefits from other peoples bad positions, big name brands as well as counterfeiters.

    You can find scare stories about almost anything especially if you generalise everything to be like the worst case scenario you can make pretty much anything sound terrible.

    Apparently in Austria they lock up their young in basements and have children with them and all Americans just love war and hate anyone that isn't like them.

    See what i did there

    Jim
     
  19. sacred g

    sacred g Newbie

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2009
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0


    And I like human trafficking even LESS!