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F*** The Serps, What Would Happen If..

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Sell Out, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. Sell Out

    Sell Out Newbie

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    Ok I have been wondering this and I am sure others have wondered the same exact thing but.. what would happen if I just did not give a shit if my site gets indexed or deindexed and I just went on a backlink rampage with automated software tools? I do mostly whitehat like 99.9% but it would be nice to have that one site that just rakes in the traffic. Kind of a crazy idea I guess but I would assume if you have tons of backlinks that you would get traffic from those backlinks if you really hammered them out. Granted it may not be as targeted as getting ranked for specific keywords in the serps but traffic equals money bottom line..

    What else could theoretically happen beyond your site being fully deindexed?
     
  2. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    If you are building backlinks on thousands of site, then those sites could complain to your host, and have your site taken down. If they have in their TOS that you may not use automated tools to sign up on their site, they could sue you. Your affiliate companies or however you monetize could delete your account and you lose all earnings.

    These are just a few things that could happen. Building backlinks at an extreme pace is very unlikely to get you de-indexed as long as you aren't hacking sites to do it.
     
  3. subster

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    How often do yo surf yourself on crappy web 2.0 sites with unreadable content and click a link there? And if it would be the case that people would act like that, what do you want to do with this junk traffic?
     
  4. Sell Out

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    Site taken down, ok I see but you could still just sign up with another host right? Put this one site on a separate hosting account. This way you don't jeopardize your other sites. I am not using automated signups.. so that is good but it is auto commenting on the sites. Can you actually get into trouble for auto commenting? I realize it is spam and no one should be doing it but as far as I know it is just a pain in the ass.. all of our asses really.. but not really illegal right? Correct me if I am wrong just wondering because this sounds like an interesting idea and i want to explore the possibilities of this. Ahh yes well this is the ultimate kicker if your affiliate programs decide to shut you down. That really would be the worst thing I think. Even still I am sure there has got to be some way even if you were banned on all corners of the earth to somehow make money with this.. This is just an idea so I want to hear what people think about this..
     
  5. skohh

    skohh Regular Member

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    You offer great advice on here, but this was an eye opener...
    So what happens to the people that use Senuke to create backlinks?

    in b4 lawsuit?
     
  6. Sell Out

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    If a real person is clicking the links then it is never junk traffic my friend.. Junk traffic is fake traffic.. bots.. if real people are clicking your links and viewing your site that is what you want. If you have a decent site and by this I mean something like a little capture page is what I am thinking.. some offer for whatever niche your in, and doing "list building" like this.. no adsense, clickbank, or amazon on the site but you would still send them offers or emails with your affiliate links.
     
  7. skohh

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    Ok....Thanks for the heads up
     
  8. Sell Out

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    Skohh my reply was to Subster.. I am not sure about the legalities of using automated tools like SEONuke. I know that creates accounts on sites automatically. What I want to use only auto comments.. it does not create user accounts on the sites..
     
  9. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Most people use Proxies or Dedicated Servers and there are millions of registrations each month so it would be very hard to actually track someone down. On top of that, they would have to spend thousands of dollars actually trying to successfully sue them. And if they were successful and awarded the judgement, they wouldn't be able to collect the money anyways in most cases due to one of many loopholes available.
     
  10. joaquin112

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    Don't let him scare you. That's actually a pretty stupid comment. If you use a proxy and do things right, there's no way that it can be proved that you were the one doing the spamming. What's to stop a competitor from blasting your links and reporting you? Always deny - and by the way, it's very unlikely that somebody would even take action. And if you dont live in North America/Europe you should be laughing your ass off because nothing's gonna happen to you, ever.
     
  11. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    This guy is a moron. DO NOT listen to anything he ever posts. If he was correct, then NO spammer EVER would be arrested and prosecuted, because they could just say it wasn't them. Do you think that the worlds best spammers don't know how to use proxies? And you are an idiot if you think its not illegal to spam outside of North America and Europe.

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    http://www.smbworldasia.com/en/content/25-year-old-mega-spammer-arrested-tokyo-police
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/business/27spam.html
     
  12. dog-tag

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    Dude I'll make this simple... This is blackhatworld... People do this everyday with Xrumer and scrapebox, it's nothing new.. buy an offshore hosting account (or your own dedi) and get going.. register everything offshore.

    The one problem you will face is networks, but you can clean your tracks by using redirects and if your that worried, just use a fake network account while your testing (just like making multiple adsense).

    CAN'T IS LOSER TALK... Try it man, and if you think I can be of any assistance to you PM me and i'll try help ye out.
     
  13. transam7410

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    Pussy comments lawsuits for scrapebox and xrumer wtf is this digitalpoint
     
  14. skohh

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    Now you just sound mad?

    I mean email spam is one thing, but setting up software to post
    a back-link to your website. I never heard no CAN-SPAM law against
    that... please do provide more details. Because I may choose another
    business model if using sb, xrumer, amr and senuke is illegal as you suggest.
     
  15. Kickflip

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    Yes, I get mad when people say my comments are stupid and I have to find proof to show people who are just too stubborn to believe someone who likely knows wtf he is talking about. This takes a lot of time out of my day trying to help you people know the full extent of your actions so that you can make informed decisions, and instead of just trusting me, you have to question it and ask ME for proof instead of researching for proof yourself if you choose to doubt me.

    More than likely you would be sued in a civil lawsuit, where a business or website could claim that you caused a disruption of their business activities, a loss of profits due to a decline in visitors, an increase of costs due to higher cpu/bandwidth usage all due to abuse of the site using automated tools which directly conflict with the TOS that you agreed to when signing up. If you got in front of a judge, and a forum/web 2.0 admin had reasonable evidence that you were posting automated signups and they could prove that these automated signups caused them financial harm, and their TOS forbid it, I couldn't see any reason why a judge wouldn't award them the victory.

    There is a lot of grey areas when it comes to forum spam, web 2.0 spam, bypassing captchas etc. If the forum only allows access to people who sign up first, and they have a captcha which you solve using automated tools, then it could very easily be considered unauthorized access which is essentially going to fall under the same category as hacking. The captcha was meant to ensure that it was a real human signing up, and by you bypassing that security feature, you are basically "hacking" to gain access to special areas you wouldn't normally have access to.

    These grey areas mean that a judge WILL hear the case, and will force you to present your side of the story, which if you tell the truth, will not look good on you because the judge would obviously see it as something harmful and would do their best to find judgement for the plaintiff.
     
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  16. exbear

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    I live in the country where this will never happen in the nearest 5 years, but still - aren't there obvious ways to transfer the guilt to someone else? How can they prove it's you who spammed the sites? If you use proxy and you say you outsourced link building to a person/firm.
     
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    OP, I had exactly the same thought as you but about a year ago. See the results of my experiment.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/adsense/362640-life-without-google-mns-using-categorized-social-bookmarking.html
     
  18. biojoe

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    I think you really have to do something big to get deindexed.
    Many people use blackhattools and as you see most of them rank high without getting slapped.
    so i dont think that something could happen after the deindex.
    good luck :D
     
  19. Kickflip

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    Read the original post guys. I am not saying that it is LIKELY you will get in trouble. It is even LESS likely that you would be criminal prosecuted. But there is a CHANCE you could be sued in a civil case for a disruption of business and other scenarios.
     
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    Hardly anybody is clicking those links and they are very unlikely to make any money for you. Those methods are good for backlinks, but not much more.

    EDIT: with a twist it might work, but you would need to change your audience :D