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F*ck it, should I just become a vendor who sells 'Make $1000,000' guides?

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by skagenweb, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. skagenweb

    skagenweb BANNED BANNED

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    It seems to me these days, that if you want to make some big money with Clickbank, the easiest way is to create a product which claims to show people the 'hidden loophole' to earn ridiculous sums of money with ZERO work and ZERO knowledge required. Like ' 16 Year old high school dropout makes $595,000 in five weeks with no experience and no work!!! '

    If you just look at most of the products with the highest gravity, you will see how new these products are and how quickly they have become successes -

    http://www.cb-analytics.com/top-products.php?param=grav

    All these products are scams, and anyone that buys that shit shouldn't be in this business.

    But, who knows, maybe if I feel like a new car, I'll make one of these crappy products. They are pretty much guaranteed gravity of 100+.
     
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  2. skagenweb

    skagenweb BANNED BANNED

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    hahahaha. Well I suppose you will actually make over 67k if you get enough noobs buying your guide ;)
     
  3. speedy5044

    speedy5044 Regular Member

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    The real problem with that kind of product is getting the affiliates to promote it , without that you're not gonna make real money , even you try to find affiliates here and other IM its gonna be always a pain . My friend have a product which is the best converting product now on the IM niche and he can never do that without the big dogs promoting it for him.
     
  4. Longover

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    I can't agree that all the products with high gravity are scams, that is a little uninformed.

    However, in IM there has been a large amount of fraudulent/scammy/overall crap products coming from Clickbank. There have also been a lot of big list owners ('gurus') mailing out these products without reviewing them. Most of them seem to just be going down the launch list. Their massive lists don't need good conversion rates. Lots of people buy the crap and don't know any better.

    So really two problems:
    -Crap products coming from Clickbank
    -Email marketers emailing them w/o even knowing what they are selling

    I've bought a couple of clickbank products in the past. I actually just bought one the other day. Hardly ever can I trust what 90% of the marketers around me are saying about the product.
     
  5. derpywizard

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    If you think it's that easy you should go for it. Also I agree, almost nothing in CB has any value. I admire the salescopy of many products though.
     
  6. darkman

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    Now the internet marketers are promoting all those softwares that makes money.
     
  7. OTrap

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    Believe it or not, it's a lot harder than that. The gravities are that high because those guys cheat the gravity system. It's not because they just sell that much better.

    I had a pretty successful launch, but even my site didn't reach 100 gravity. I got about 60 big guys to send good traffic, and we all made good money, but the gravity didn't get that high, because not that many different affiliates made sales.

    PS - As I recall, you had/have a pretty good racket going on with directing members to a free site after the payment page. Hell, just teach people how to make money by setting up a site like that. It's a legit system, right? You made money with it, after all.
     
  8. $ThisIsTheLife$

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    Yeah buddy I'm working on my product too

    Just need to outsource some parts of my campaign
     
  9. skagenweb

    skagenweb BANNED BANNED

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    There must be some people buying these products when they have gravities of 500+.
     
  10. ash1ey

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    This is my dilemma.. I've just written up a complete noob guide to making money online. Introducing the reader to affiliate marketing, adsense, amazon, wordpress and seo.

    Now I've come to writing up the sales later I don't want to hype it up and 'over' sell it and then under deliver i.e. avoid massive refund requests. I want to keep it in line with FTC and Clickbank rules so i aint gonna be saying make '$100,000 a month just like i did', when I never did make that much (infact the reason i wrote this ebook is because im making very little at the minute). I have real testimonials from friends saying how easy the guide is to follow so thats not a problem.

    I really want to come up with a way to say in my sales letter that:

    • Its really super easy to follow my ebook
    • Anyone can do it with no experience
    • BUT - It takes time and dedication/effort

    How can I do this without effecting conversations too much?

    Now I am going to be focusing a lot on offline advertising but I obviously want to make it appeal to affiliates to market it for me as well.
     
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    I´m promoting one of those products. (One wich is on the second page of that search). You would not believe how many people ask for their money back. I don´t really know If this affects to gravity but It should because we are not talking about net sells.

    I found a good method to sent traffic to that niche.

    From every 10.000 people I send to the landind page, 10 of them buy the product and 4 ask for the refund.
    The business on these products is the 60% of lazy buyers that don´t ask for their money back and don´t want to reconize they were scammed.

    Actually it´s a 40% refund rate. Is this rate normal on this niche or should I move to another product?
     
  12. Psychop1

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    Maybe you can sell them before they get to the gritty "It takes time and dedication" part. How many people do you think read the entire sales copy? They're as long as novels. I imagine most read until they're either sold or assured that it's BS, then scroll to the bottom to buy or they just simply exit. I'm definitely no pro, but those sales copies have to be a mile long for a reason.
     
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  13. Bross

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    Smarts would be creating a product that isn't related to IM and is good and beneficial to those who use it.
    Even smarter will be making the product sell without clickbank. Just like scrapebox.

    There are ways to make money online without going to hell eventually.
    Selling a scam product is like giving a child a poisonous candy.

    People have no money and are desperate.. Why hurt them. Life is about Karma. And money can't buy that.

     
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  14. ash1ey

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    Thanks man your input is appreciated :)
     
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    That's pretty typical when you're just moving traffic to the sales page. Most of these recently launched products can't stand on their own 2 feet. And when you push traffic that buys into the hype and is then disappointed you get high refunds.

    The way to combat it is to either presell better or add value to the process. Both of which take time and effort. Both of which also work. I've found it takes more and more effort to "stick" sales today than it used to... probably a combination of the economy and how many garbage products are released.

    But pure traffic-shoveling methods (in my experience) will continue to see high refund rates as long as those 2 conditions persist.
     
  16. Bross

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    Promoting CB products is mainly good for the Vendors.
    It takes 1 day to create a crap product that many will promote.

    They do cross the 50% refund rate but they don't really care.. They do nohting.

    I personally learned that promoting non clickbank products almost has no refunds.. The products are real and the payouts are much better. I even enjoy reviewing good products.
    So to your question - IT's not only about the product. Move to another marketing dimension. Find other affiliate programs and networks that value both their affiliates AND their customers and don't sell crap just to make the quick buck out of poor people who are in need of solutions and get scammed. I really feel bad promoting something that will drain people out of their pockets for something that will never work.




     
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  17. OTrap

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    To be sure.

    And actually, if some of the people here were to do some reading, they'd learn that some of these things do work ... they're just advertised deceptively.

    I've said it before on here. If a product itself was complete horseshit, the FTC wouldn't let it stay up for that long, because inevitably, when a ton of people cry "scam," a few of them contact the FTC about it.

    In a nutshell, many of these products are like this: They work, but they aren't even close to as quick, easy, or effective as they are advertised to be. The claims are either complete lies (person did make that much money, but not using that system) or "at best" scenarios (not the norm).

    It's equitable to a ripped, jacked guy coming on an infomercial and saying that he got his body with some little 10-minute-a-day contraption. The truth is, he might use it, but he went through a LOT of other things to actually get the body he has.

    Same idea applies.

    First, I have to note that either:
    (a) your traffic is not targeted,
    (b) your traffic is targeted, but not to the niche of the site you promote, or
    (c) the offer's sales copy is weaksauce

    Good, targeted traffic (depending on the traffic source) will see about a 1-4% average in terms of a conversion rate. Email tends to be on the lower end, while PPC and SEO tend to be on the upper end. So the fact that you're having trouble making sales is an indicator that your audience isn't really THAT tailored to the product anyway ...

    ... which means they're probably already pretty on-the-fence about buying it, which then means they're more likely to refund.

    Also, using a sample of just 10 buyers isn't really an accurate sample. You should be looking at at least 200 sales or so before you determine refund rates. In 2010, all I promoted were IM-related products, and my refund rate was only 16.23% (421 refunds on 2594 sales). Some were higher (*ahem* Anik Singal *ahem*). Some were lower. Gotta get a decent sample before you set your refund rate, though.

    There are plenty of IM-related products that are very helpful.

    If you can do really well, then why not sell it somewhere where being an affiliate for it basically goes viral? You climb high enough on the gravity or popularity pages, and people will start noticing it and just promoting it for you, without you even asking.

    THAT is how a lot of these guys do it, pretty much.

    I'm not big on scams, but this simile is pretty far-fetched.

    If life is about Karma, then tell me why innocent children in Africa die of starvation every day before ever seeing any relief from the misery in their lives. Where is the Karma there?

    Products shouldn't be crap, you're right. They also should be advertised honestly. Suggesting that a product is either a magic pill or a scam is a false dichotomy, though.

    Good post. I would rep you, but it says I did too recently.


    EDIT: I just made a $23 sale while writing this post. :D
     
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