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[Extortion?] MP3 of Competitor Threatening to Wipe Us Out.. Need Advice

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by BreaknBrix, Aug 11, 2016.

  1. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    This guy is a sociopath but he's also our #1 competitor.

    I've wrote before how he's been to prison for fraud, tax evasion & was fined $1.2M. He's also been on national TV twice for a slew of scams he runs on his customers. He prints fake receipts. Changes serial numbers on tests so he can alter tests to test positive for toxic shit then charge homeowners for things they don't have in their home. He uses a black sharpie to censor out the "pay to" section of checks to funnel money into other accounts.

    The guys Yelp pages has something like 34 negative reviews all in a row. 1/5 star ratings. It's nothing but people complaining about how they paid then he never came back. Or how he incessantly calls, harasses and even threatens people after going out to their home.

    There are literally customers in his reviews (before we ever got in this industry) who had to call the cops just to get him out of their home. That's the type of person we're talking about here.

    It only took us about 1 year to full realize the shit this guy was involved in.

    The problem is afa criminals go he's not that dumb. He uses a fake name when taking calls. He has accounts set up under his wifes name or someone else so the feds can't garnish his $. He gets 100% of his traffic from SEO. Has 2 sites in the same industry page 1 for many phrases so his reputation means nothing to him.

    Most people who call the guy have no idea he's a con artist. As they don't see his Yelp page (it's buried). They generally don't realize till after they get taken.

    In this industry we get around 40% of our traffic from SEO, then another 40% because we've built up a great reputation on G Local, Yelp, Yahoo, Facebook, etc.

    Our reputation means a lot to us.

    Here's the problem. The more prominent we get, the more and more we get calls from people who've already talked to this guy.

    And because we know he scams all his customers we have an ethical obligation to EDUCATE these people about the shit he does.

    And if people need proof of how bad this guy really is I'll make a separate thread in JR VIP section. With links to everything as I've gathered a large folder on this guy.

    Here's what happened. A few days ago my brother got a lead. The lead turned out to be an old college friend. He told my bro that he used this guys company for initial testing. My brother went over and found out he got scammed for $1,900. He ran free tests in his home to show how he was scammed. And what's worse is this owner was still calling incessantly (6 times before 2pm) trying to lie & sell MORE SHIT after already scamming him once.... as my brother was still in the house.

    So his friend got mad & left a scathing / very well worded review of what this guy did. The problem we didn't notice is he wrote our companies name in his review recommending the hell out us.

    We had no idea he did this till the day we received this threat over the phone. And when I heard this I wanted to drive to this guys house and put a bat through his head. Instead we called a lawyer who said we can file an injunction.... but that will only stop him from making future threats. We don't care about the threats. We care about him carrying out the threats. Nor do I like the idea of taking legal action cause this guy is a sociopath and will do w/e he can to destroy out reputation. Simply because we try to run an ethical business and it's shitbags like this who make our entire industry look bad.

    Here's the message he left: http://picosong.com/D6qn/

    He say's he's never done this before to another business which might be true. But no other business has really challenged him online or taken his market-share the way we have. And we have a folder full now of threats to former customers thanks to the media, his yelp and by contacting those customers & the media ourselves to get direct accounts of what happened. I should also note we're FRIENDS with most our top competitors. They all know his game & apparently nobody can do shit about it.

    Like I said, I'm afraid to take legal action cause this guy knows how to hide money. He's been in this industry at least 8 yrs doing this shit and if he hasn't been stopped now.... I really don't know what to do. Furthermore, if we meet more people who've called him after getting ripped off.... we can't fucking pretend like "no you weren't scammed." That's the reason so many call us in the 1st place.

    What would you do?

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  2. Floopa75

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    I'd hit him with a phone call and let him know that the letter the college friend sent was authentic and from a guy who felt he got ripped off. Tell this guy that the college friend did it on his own and that you didn't have any intent on stirring up anything. But WHILE you're letting him know about the letter from the college friend, make hints that you're on to him about his fraudulent ways. "Yeah he wasn't the first guy to complain about ya, but it is what it is. You know you have your business, I have mine. Customers just tell me about their experiences."

    Don't drag the college friend into the mess, but use the situation he created as a buffer between you and this guy - make sure it is known (but kinda shrouded in uncertainty on his end) as well that you are going to come back firing if the he wants really try and mess with you.

    For the record - I haven't dealt with a guy like this in business, but have dealt with guys like this in everyday life. This is how I normally deal with this kind of stuff. Create space between myself and them, but make sure they know they're in for a tough fight they will never win should they really throw it down. Also "kinda shrouded in uncertainty" above means have him think of you as intimidating and will give him a vague idea of what you're capable of. It keeps him hesitating and guessing.

    And if you don't take my advice (which is fine) then get ready to repair any damages he causes.
     
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  3. ibmethatswhoib

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    First, I would strap up in case dude looses it and comes after you, he sounds like he's unhinged. Then I'm not sure it's tough, you don't want to let the dick walk all over you but you can't pretend he's not a con job to the customers that ask. Some guys like to just push their weight around and see how far they can get, I say it's a balancing act of trying not to get caught up in shit but also not taking his shit.
     
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  4. BreaknBrix

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    You are pretty good at reading minds.

    One technique the CIA used against KGB was those small 2mm self dissolving pellets. The powder goes in the pellet the pellet goes on the umbrella. Everything is undetectable. The problem with that is you can't squeeze enough w*ll* p*t* into a pellet that small. Cya-need would be the preferred ROA.

    However, the hydroxlated ga5 version is a different story. Also very easy to handle. Drop a pinch on someones car seat.... person gets in car... turns on AC.... 20 mins of humidity exposure leads to [email protected] formation.... car goes off road.... windows break open... gas quickly escapes... nothing to trace. But clearly I'd never do that. That's the whole reason I made this thread was to give homicide something to trace.

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    Back on topic. I've wrote out 3 different ways to handle this plotting cost vs risk, intended vs unintended consequences, personal, social, financial, etc.

    I think my best bet is to stage a type of coup d'etat. As any results would have to be indirectly & behaviorally coerced. I could set up (or affiliate with) an NPO that fights corruption. Then I'd have to slowly immerse some knocks on the door. Under some anti-corruption guise. They show the customers a video hit piece. Which makes it clear for those people never to communicate with him again cause he's a dangerous individual.

    If that was done slowly and long enough it could look like really bad luck. Then his finances would inevitably dry up. But to really make something like this work I'd have to contact our state district attorney. Chances are I'll start with that first. I have a lot of evidence that this guy is scamming the shit out of people. And I know he's still breaking all sorts of laws that I can't even name. Even the attorney I spoke to was confused how to label the shit he's doing. So if I get a DA involved .... maybe they ask to use me as an informant. In which case I can use the resources of the government instead of my own.
     
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